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[gomretat]

Sloany my friend, I am one of the folks on this board who believes Booz is better than Jeff and Sap. I think you have made some legit points about Booz in the past. I have to add that I probably prefer Jeff for one reason and that is the injury issue. But we do agree on the talent equation. However, you have zero credibility making ludicrous comparisons to this year and last given the trade, Sloan, etc etc. It makes everything you say suspect.

 

[twentytwo]

Final PER.

Jefferson 20.20 - 82 games played
Millsap 19.83 - 76 games played
Bozo 18.90 - 59 games played

One more time, just for emphasis.

 

[Revolution 9]

Sloaned in his own thread....ouch!

 

[freakazoid]

I think where Utah made their 2 biggest mistakes of the offseason were Wes Matthews and Kyle Korver. If the Jazz retain those 2 while still basically trading Boozer for Jefferson, I think this season turns out drastically different. D-Will is probably happier, thus not as much bickering with Sloan, Wes Matthews fills the SG position and we don't sign Raja Bell who gave us nothing all year long and Kyle Korver is knocking down more 3's than ever thanks to Big Al drawing more of the defense into the post.

Although I agree with this, Utah just isn't a team that can afford to spend like Cuban. We had the 5th highest payroll in the league, and if my #s are right, keeping Wes and Korver minus bell would have put us at just under 84,000,000. That means 14 million in luxury tax. Utah is never gonna pay that.

Let me add that while that scenario probably gets us into the playoffs and keeps the Sloan era intact (for now), it probably would have been fools gold. D-Will was still most likely going to bolt at the end of his contract and we probably don't get anything for him in return. This means rebuilding anyway, but doing it with far less assets than the Jazz have now.

As much as I wanted to believe Deron would have stayed had we been in the top half of the west, I think this is probably true. Good post.

 

[LogGrad98]

Sloaned in his own thread....ouch!

This is pretty standard actually. He starts strong then gets bogged down when trivial things like facts get in the way, then he bails out. It does make him entertaining though.

 

[LogGrad98]

Final PER.

Jefferson 20.20 - 82 games played
Millsap 19.83 - 76 games played
Bozo 18.90 - 59 games played

One more time, just for emphasis.

The telling stat really. Also the reason the Bulls were so good defensively; their defensive liability took enough games off to boost their defensive rating.

 

[LogGrad98]

Bulls did well without Boozer when he was hurt. Nuf said. Wait, not enuf said. When the Jazz had Boozer, they aslso did well without him. Great stats, doesnt affect winning or losing too much. That is Noah and Rose's job. Just reality. Boozer doesnt suck. But he is a 2nd or 3rd, at best option, and not a deal breaker for any team to do well.

Spot on.

 

[LogGrad98]

LOL; the media still loves Boozer; camereaman couldn't take his camera off Boozer on the bench during timeouts tonite...

They have pools going on how many zits he has, so they had to count. It takes a freaking long time.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Although I agree with this, Utah just isn't a team that can afford to spend like Cuban. We had the 5th highest payroll in the league, and if my #s are right, keeping Wes and Korver minus bell would have put us at just under 84,000,000. That means 14 million in luxury tax. Utah is never gonna pay that.

Totally agree with Cuban comparison. However, if I remember the numbers (and I might be way off) on Matthew's offer sheet, I don't think it was too out of line with the money the Jazz ended up giving Bell for the next 3 years. Korver was a goner regardless. It would have been nice to keep him, but as you said, it's not like we have a billionaire for an owner who can pay high amounts of luxury tax year in and year out.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

Boozer is a good ball player. Had he been surrounded with guys who could play defense Utah would have been better off. Had he been less injury-prone Utah would have been better off. Without the proper pieces around him he couldn't flourish as well here, and for that reason I am glad he's gone.

 

[Ben10]

However, if I remember the numbers (and I might be way off) on Matthew's offer sheet, I don't think it was too out of line with the money the Jazz ended up giving Bell for the next 3 years.

Matthew's offer sheet was for the full mid level (around $5.5 million) for 5 years with a huge payout up front. Raja is getting $3 million for 3 years. Thats a lot of money IMO. esp since the huge hit up front would have been doubled because of the tax. Wes is a great player and I really like him. But I still don't think he is worth the contract he got. Unless Roy is traded (or his knees completely give out) or he keep improving. (I think he is near his peak)

 

[freakazoid]

if I remember the numbers (and I might be way off) on Matthew's offer sheet, I don't think it was too out of line with the money the Jazz ended up giving Bell for the next 3 years. Korver was a goner regardless. It would have been nice to keep him, but as you said, it's not like we have a billionaire for an owner who can pay high amounts of luxury tax year in and year out.

This year = $5,765,000 for Wes compared to $3,000,000 for Bell. Almost double, but with the luxury of hindsight, I think it's a no brainer that Wes would have been worth it. Just the same, I don't remember a single Jazz fan who thought we should match. In fact, I was surprised at how many people were buying into the conspiracy theory that Portland didn't really want him, they were just trying to screw the Jazz. I also remember a fair amount of fans who thought we shouldn't match Millsap because Portland was just trying to screw us. Looking back, Portland knew exactly what they were doing, and ended up 1 for 2.

As for Korver, he's getting $5,000,000 a year for the next 3. Again, I'd prefer that over Bell(I'd also prefer a tabasco *****), but Korver may have left for Chicago even if we did want to pay that. Obviously though, there was no way we could've kept Wes and Korver.