4-team trade idea for SG & C

[vj_74]

Rip Hamilton for anyone is a bad trade considering his contract and playing ability.

Players I would rather have than AK in no particular order:

Iguodola
Gerald Wallace
Jason Richardson
Granger
Nene Hilario+Affalo
Morrow+Murphy

and a few more if I dig deeper..

 

[vj_74]

Yes, I absolutely believe that if you're going to trade one of the best players on your team, you should get back a better player. If the team isn't better after the trade is over, you shouldn't make the trade, generally speaking. .

All that would be OK if the said player has a reasonable contract. What if the player is unreasonably overpaid?

You expect a team to help us take AK's contract off our hands and also give a better player in return?

It is a bit too late now. But 2-3 yrs back Jazz should have jumped at any offer that gave them back a lesser(but solid) player provided they were getting rid of AK's contract. They did'nt. And they are still paying the price for it.

 

[Stickler]

All that would be OK if the said player has a reasonable contract. What if the player is unreasonably overpaid?

You expect a team to help us take AK's contract off our hands and also give a better player in return?

It is a bit too late now. But 2-3 yrs back Jazz should have jumped at any offer that gave them back a lesser(but solid) player provided they were getting rid of AK's contract. They did'nt. And they are still paying the price for it.

Expect? Not exactly. But in the NBA, in any trade, the team that brings back the best player always wins. Why would you trade somebody for a player who is worse? I mean, teams do it all the time, for a variety of reasons -- salary dumps, etc. But I prefer trades to be basketball decisions, not financial decisions. The owners of many NBA teams clearly disagree with me.

By the way, of course the Jazz would be crazy not to trade AK for Iggy, Granger, and that tier of player. That's not the kind of AK trade that usually gets suggested on this board, though. And, of course, there's this little problem that the teams those guys play for aren't going to trade them to us for AK, and that those are absurd trade ideas.

I don't think you've ever seen Troy Murphy play, though, if you want him on the Jazz. I'm being completely sincere. You've never seen Troy Murphy play. There is just no way. He is ten kinds of terrible.

 

[vj_74]

I mean, teams do it all the time, for a variety of reasons -- salary dumps, etc. But I prefer trades to be basketball decisions, not financial decisions. The owners of many NBA teams clearly disagree with me.

You have to realize that trading AK for a lesser player 2-3 years back(although Marion and T-Mac at that time werent any lesser) would have ultimately helped the Jazz go after a better player eventually. It shouldnt be viewed in isolation. It should be viewed as just cutting your losses and in the process gaining some flexibility to go after something better. Of course teams do this all the time and for a good reason.

And regarding Murphy, I know he is Okur-lite. But as a throw-in in a trade for Morrow and as a half-season rental to sub for Okur(who looks more hobbled than ever) he cant be that bad. Last year he averaged 15 and 10 while shooting 38% from 3-pt land. Not too bad for bench production. But I just looked up and it seems like he is also coming back from an injury and putting up messed up numbers this season. Only relief here is that he is an expiring contract

 

[Stickler]

You have to realize that trading AK for a lesser player 2-3 years back(although Marion and T-Mac at that time werent any lesser) would have ultimately helped the Jazz go after a better player eventually. It shouldnt be viewed in isolation. It should be viewed as just cutting your losses and in the process gaining some flexibility to go after something better. Of course teams do this all the time and for a good reason.

Okaaaaay.... Why is that relevant to the conversation we're having now? I would say that I don't necessarily disagree with you on the trade philosophy you're describing here -- but I wouldn't have made either of those trades. AK was better than T-Mac and continues to be better than T-Mac. Marion is one-dimensional.

And regarding Murphy, I know he is Okur-lite. But as a throw-in in a trade for Morrow and as a half-season rental to sub for Okur(who looks more hobbled than ever) he cant be that bad. Last year he averaged 15 and 10 while shooting 38% from 3-pt land. Not too bad for bench production.

Dude. Troy Murphy was not on the bench last season. And yes, his numbers look fine. But I probably watched 30 Pacers last season, and I've seen a lot of Troy Murphy over the years, and I promise you if you ever actually watched him play, you would hate him in about three games. There is absolutely no substance to his numbers. The man is absolute fool's gold.

But I just looked up and it seems like he is also coming back from an injury and putting up messed up numbers this season. Only relief here is that he is an expiring contract

He's not even playing this season. Avery Johnson is actually on record as saying that the minutes he's received on The Nets have been to try to showcase him for a trade. This is a team that needed a power forward, thought they were helping themselves by trading for Murphy, and within weeks the team was feuding with the guy in the newspapers and trying desperately to trade him.

The Pacers had no hesitation in trading a 20/10 guy to give his minutes to a guy on a near-minimum contract. And they were instantly a vastly better team. This should all tell you something about Troy Murphy.