5 year plan-- Are the Jazz focused on winning a title?

[sepanol]

Detroit is the 11th largest tv market in the US. They are a large market. Detroit also had 5 top ten draft picks on that team. They were stacked. I don't buy this argument at all. They had multiple All-Stars on the team. They had talent, and had to pay for that talent. Again, advantage large market. Until the CBA changes, you will continue to see large markets win over small markets. Heck, has a small market won a title in the last 10 years?

Mabe they are slightly larger than Utah but they arent LA or New york or Boston at all. And i think, we can put 5 all stars in our team together more easily rather than 2 superstars like kobe and shaq. We already had Memo, deron, boozer, kirilenko, 3 allstars one superstar. So its doable. Just we failed with that team becuz of their personality clash and bad chemistry. We gotta find players with better character i think, who wouldnt make a mess in the franchise after losing 2 games

 

[sepanol]

I guess my point is that I do believe the Jazz can get to the top, but we are already at a disadvantage so we will have to be twice as effective as the bigger market teams
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i agree

 

[JFFR]

Bad luck? You werent around here at that time, maybe. A lot of fans here were giddy when Fisher left, since he was starting at SG and shooting a poor FG%. They wanted more mins for Brewer. Jazz saved some money too. It was supposed to be a win-win situation for LHM and Fisher at that time.
Even in hindsight, looking at the way Fisher's game has declined you cant say he would have been the difference maker playing 10mpg behind Deron. And if he were the starting SG it would have been even more difficult. Yes, his veteran savvy and championship experience would have helped win a few more games. But it wouldnt have helped us beat the Spurs/Lakers

I agree that Fisher had no business starting at SG (how many people dropped 50 points on him?) But he was an asset and the Jazz got nothing in return for him. That hurt the Jazz.

You make a great point about him as the backup behind DWill. If he can't guard the 2 and DWill deserves 35 minutes a night, what is his role? Well, he's a lot better than BKnight, Hart, Price, etc. He also provided leadership in the lockerroom and on the floor. And I would have rather seen DWill and Fisher on the floor in the final minutes than DWill and Brewer (people had to guard Fisher, this created more room for Okur and others to hit big shots.)

 

[sportsnut1232]

We are in a much better position as we were with Dwill, IMO. We couldn't get that second star next to Dwill, and that's what it was gonna take. Now we have Favors and Hayward to build around, and we absolutely must get the best player we can at number 3.

To be optimistic, if Favors reaches his potential and becomes an elite big man, we will be in good shape. Another starter/borderline all star like Dwill2.0 or Kanter, and a solid rotation player at 12, and we have a deep, solid team that will grow together and could reach contender status.

Of course, there are many questions to be answered. How will Big Al fit into all this? And Harris? Will Ty be able to give us that defensive philosophy?

 

[sepanol]

We are in a much better position as we were with Dwill, IMO. We couldn't get that second star next to Dwill, and that's what it was gonna take. Now we have Favors and Hayward to build around, and we absolutely must get the best player we can at number 3.

To be optimistic, if Favors reaches his potential and becomes an elite big man, we will be in good shape. Another starter/borderline all star like Dwill2.0 or Kanter, and a solid rotation player at 12, and we have a deep, solid team that will grow together and could reach contender status.

Of course, there are many questions to be answered. How will Big Al fit into all this? And Harris? Will Ty be able to give us that defensive philosophy?

if we draft kanter, big al will probably get frustrated cuz he cant get enough mins, and he will be traded

 

[vslice02]

We need to draft a Tim Duncan and put role players around him to win.

Sign me up for this plan.

 

[Qman]

Detroit isnt a very big franchise but they played eastern finals 4-5 yrs consequtively, they didnt have any Kobe or Lebron but they had 5 very good players and a balanced team. I think the model we should follow should be theirs. We cant bring any superstar by free agency and even if we get by draft its hard to keep them, but if we have 5 good players, (Hayward and Favors r 2 of them, hopefuly 1 more this years draft) then we can have a chance of being contender.

The year they won the championship Ben Wallace was All-NBA 3rd team player. The next year Ben Wallace and Billups were All-NBA players. It only works if at some point 1 or 2 or your best players are All-NBA caliber.

 

[sepanol]

The year they won the championship Ben Wallace was All-NBA 3rd team player. The next year Ben Wallace and Billups were All-NBA players. It only works if at some point 1 or 2 or your best players are All-NBA caliber.

i dont agree Ben wallace was at the same level with other all nba players, he may be a very good defender, and he did good job defending Shaq when they beat la, but i wouldnt compare him to Shaq, Garnett or Duncan. Same with Billups, he is a very very good player but not as good as kidd nash, or even deron n paul.

Thats my opinion, in order to be champion,u gotta have 2 kobe- shaq class players and some standard players around them or a real good team like Detroit, Spurs

 

[sportsnut1232]

i dont agree Ben wallace was at the same level with other all nba players, he may be a very good defender, and he did good job defending Shaq when they beat la, but i wouldnt compare him to Shaq, Garnett or Duncan. Same with Billups, he is a very very good player but not as good as kidd nash, or even deron n paul.

Thats my opinion, in order to be champion,u gotta have 2 kobe- shaq class players and some standard players around them or a real good team like Detroit, Spurs

Yes in most cases 2 superstars are needed. Those Detroit teams had great coaching and amazing team chemistry. The players complemented each other perfectly. That just doesn't happen a lot.

 

[sportsnut1232]

if we draft kanter, big al will probably get frustrated cuz he cant get enough mins, and he will be traded

That's what I see happening too. Kanter will complement Favors perfectly, and with Memo and Millsap off the bench it will be a perfect frontcourt. At that point we could see what we could get for Al. Whether that's Danny Granger or someone else, we could fill the rest of the holes on our roster.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think I speak for many Jazz fans when I say- I am a little frustrated in the lack of motivation and intensity on the Jazz winning an NBA title. We all know that it is going to take 2 of the best players in the NBA to even get close. I understand that we are in a rebuilding stage, but we have been in that stage since the retirement of John Stockton. You cant tell me that the Jazz have done everything that they could of. We need a little bit of luck with this up coming draft, but what then? It seems to me that the Jazz are just content with being a playoff contender and thats it.

I dont question that everyone on the team has hopes of winning it all, but then again- what team doesnt? There's a difference of "wanting it" and putting the pieces in place to "get it".

A healthy Boozer, AK, Deron and Okur, with a young shooter expected to develop into a solid NBA player in CJ. That seemed like a very, very good lineup to me (and many others). Even before Deron, didn't the Jazz start out 12-1 one year with McLeod running the point? And then Utah went to the WCF a few years later. I'd say KOC did a VERY good job at rebuilding after Stockton and Malone. Compare Utah to Boston post-Bird, the Lakers after Magic and Chicago sans Jordan. Those franchises took YEARS to get back to contending. And they are NBA-elite cities, not a remote outpost like Salt Lake.

Larry H. bet the farm on AK, once a rising young star with very unique skills. Larry even admitted at the time that AK wasn't a "MAX" player, but he believe he would be by the time his contract was finished. KOC was aggressive in getting Boozer and Okur - had to overpay both of them to outbid others and get them to come to Utah. Then he hoodwinked the Blazers into settling on Martell Webster instead of drafting CP3 or DWill. Yes, I'm disappointed the team hasn't won a title, but I think KOC and Larry/Greg have been pretty good about taking chances, while trying to work within the confines of a small-market team with sizable, but not unlimited resources. I don't fault them for not matching Wesley's offer. I applaud them for lettting Boozer go and then trading DWill.

I'm actually as excited to see this young team develop as I was back in that miracle season of AK and the no-namers who almost made the playoffs. Jazz have the makings of a good team. I think our draft will be solid and I think one more FA signing or a trade will be forthcoming at some point. Perhaps the GSW pick + expiring(s) near the deadline to pick up a solid veteran wing. And with AK off the books now and Okur next season, the Jazz will be in a strong financial position - and that can certainly be valuable come trade discussions.

 

[asian_roger]

A healthy Boozer, AK, Deron and Okur, with a young shooter expected to develop into a solid NBA player in CJ. That seemed like a very, very good lineup to me (and many others). Even before Deron, didn't the Jazz start out 12-1 one year with McLeod running the point? And then Utah went to the WCF a few years later. I'd say KOC did a VERY good job at rebuilding after Stockton and Malone. Compare Utah to Boston post-Bird, the Lakers after Magic and Chicago sans Jordan. Those franchises took YEARS to get back to contending. And they are NBA-elite cities, not a remote outpost like Salt Lake.

Larry H. bet the farm on AK, once a rising young star with very unique skills. Larry even admitted at the time that AK wasn't a "MAX" player, but he believe he would be by the time his contract was finished. KOC was aggressive in getting Boozer and Okur - had to overpay both of them to outbid others and get them to come to Utah. Then he hoodwinked the Blazers into settling on Martell Webster instead of drafting CP3 or DWill. Yes, I'm disappointed the team hasn't won a title, but I think KOC and Larry/Greg have been pretty good about taking chances, while trying to work within the confines of a small-market team with sizable, but not unlimited resources. I don't fault them for not matching Wesley's offer. I applaud them for lettting Boozer go and then trading DWill.

I'm actually as excited to see this young team develop as I was back in that miracle season of AK and the no-namers who almost made the playoffs. Jazz have the makings of a good team. I think our draft will be solid and I think one more FA signing or a trade will be forthcoming at some point. Perhaps the GSW pick + expiring(s) near the deadline to pick up a solid veteran wing. And with AK off the books now and Okur next season, the Jazz will be in a strong financial position - and that can certainly be valuable come trade discussions.

My god that was extremely well said. We never hit the jackpot, but we've been pretty damn close every year. We will be in the playoffs soon!