A few questions for the bitchers and moaners

[LoPo]

LoPo, I think you are one of the smartest guys here, but I think you are way off the mark here with #2. Mitchell will become a superstar by winning, and he won't win by playing 1 on 5, especially doing that every play in the last 5 minutes. Conley may need time to learn the offense, maybe, I don't know, I don't see enough of the games, but if Conley is capable of being the point guard, they should let him be the point guard. By the way, I was very encouraged with Rudy's play on the offensive end against Philly.. I think he has improved. This team theoretically could be really good, if everybody plays to their potential. Obviously, it is not clicking yet.

I just feel that Mitchell can't start the game on the outside of the offense while everything revolves around Conley. We did that for a couple years with Rubio, and everybody hated it. We've done it a lot to start this season with Conley, and it seems to be failing.

Conley is a good player, but he's not a elite facilitator. He's an all purpose guy. He's not Rondo. I think Mitchell is very similar to Conley. I don't think Mitchell could go out and get 8+ assists on a nightly basis right now. Conley can't either. Hell, he's never averaged more than 6.5 assists per game in any season. I think style might keep the two of these guys from being really successful next to each other.

 

[homeytennis]

The national media has taken notice of the Jazz struggling this season. Tomorrow will be interesting with Conley out.

 

[Jazz]

No, Donovan is trying to win. That's all he's trying to do. For team USA, he deferred a lot. In their big loss, he did everything he could to keep that team afloat.

Something is just off right now. Conley and Donovan are playing similarly and it's not bringing out the best in the team as a whole. There is no one guy to blame. They gotta figure it out.

This won't happen but they should put Joe as pg. Let him play similar to doncic. Obviously he's not that good but Joe can figure it out he's that smart. Donovan should only shoot in rythym or in the flow of the offence. And then U got Bojan who I believe is the jazz best offensive player. Who should get the most shots

 

[DasJazz]

We are still going to wreak havoc in the playoffs. All teams go through spurts where they are off of their game.

We are still in championship mode. Just gotta right the ship a bit for the rest of the month.

 

[SCS]

We are still going to wreak havoc in the playoffs. All teams go through spurts where they are off of their game.

We are still in championship mode. Just gotta right the ship a bit for the rest of the month.

I tend to think this too. I think we're built for the playoffs.

Conspiracy theory thinking... maybe Quin has run so much ISO early this season on purpose in preparation for the playoffs? In playoff basketball isolation offense is more prevalent. Defenses tighten up and your best playmakers have to create stuff individually more often. Maybe he feels like the team needs these early ISO reps to be prepared and that he can get the team to run the expanded offense whenever he needs.

 

[Beer]

Success I mean contending for a championship. We have a very low chance of success in winning a championship with Conley. And Brogdon is a clear better fit to our current lineup. As simple as that.

I would have rather have Brogdon also. Was he an option as a FA? Or would a sign and trade have needed to be done? Not sure the details of how he ended up on Indiana.

 

[Zombie]

I tend to think this too. I think we're built for the playoffs.

Conspiracy theory thinking... maybe Quin has run so much ISO early this season on purpose in preparation for the playoffs? In playoff basketball isolation offense is more prevalent. Defenses tighten up and your best playmakers have to create stuff individually more often. Maybe he feels like the team needs these early ISO reps to be prepared and that he can get the team to run the expanded offense whenever he needs.

My conspiracy thinking has kind of been the inverse of this. That is, that Quin hasn't been running as many complex sets early in this rough part of the year to give potential playoff opponents less tape to work from.

I don't really believe that, but it makes more sense than just abandoning it altogether I guess.

 

[Tragic66]

No, Donovan is trying to win. That's all he's trying to do. For team USA, he deferred a lot. In their big loss, he did everything he could to keep that team afloat.

Something is just off right now. Conley and Donovan are playing similarly and it's not bringing out the best in the team as a whole. There is no one guy to blame. They gotta figure it out.

Or Donovan is trying to make an All-Star team, get his stats up and sell sneakers?

 

[JazzForLifee]

Or Donovan is trying to make an All-Star team, get his stats up and sell sneakers?

Wow... smh

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[Wineo]

1. Are we better off if we keep Rubio or sign some other rando for 10-12 mill rather than trading for Conley?

2. Was a player that scored an efficient 20 ppg and was known as one of the most underrated players in the league worth the risk of a trade?

3. Who's been screwing the Jazz worst? A. Conley B. Donovan C. Ingles D. Snyder

4. Do you really blame Lindsey for making the trade? We gave up Crowder, a draft pick or 2, and some cap space.

1. Rubio fits quins style of play
2. No
3. Snyder
4.No
pretty simple, quins game plan hasn't changed and teams that are above 500 and destroying it and are up by that much at half are in relax mode in the 3rd

 

[Wineo]

1. I think the bigger question is would we have been better off unloading Exum onto Memphis, then having the extra $10 from waiving Korver (because the difference in Korver’s contract waived and maintaining Crowder instead of Exum would have freed up cash), or even keeping Korver. But we could have landed an Aminu. I’d say that some could argue that hindsight bias would say yes that we’re better off with Rubio, but I don’t think our current vantage point qualifies as “hindsight.”

2. Yeah.

3. I put this on Quin and Donovan. Ingles and Conley are missing shots. Donovan is simply taking bad shots, forcing things, playing hero ball, and a Quin has done nothing to intervene. We don’t even have an offensive strategy. Everyone talked about pick and rolls with Joe and Bojan in the corners and the threat of the lob or the pass to the corners. Instead we’re getting a bunch of floaters.

4. No, but I blame him for not bringing in some toughness. Like, we accepted our starting lineups poor rebounding fate, then we grab the worst rebounding four in the league. Can’t fault him for bringing in a veteran on the minimum, but you have to manufacture some other options. I also blame DL for not getting us a real point guard, and for swapping Neto with NWG.

exum needs to go for both parties, but the biggest issue is donovan, when he can't hit a basket he keeps shooting, he needs to look and see who else is open

 

[Dali]

I don't know how some of you are still ready to deny that some players on our team want individual success. Sure everybody wants to win, but everybody is out there wanting to build their brand. That has been evident in our play all season.

Championship contending teams need to quickly figure out a hierarchy. Whether it happens organically without discussion, or through a planned discussion between our best players. (Bogey, Rudy, Don, Mike). It took for Dwayne Wade to concede his status, and agree to be the number 2 man behind LeBron, before they started winning. Just recently LeBron gave up the number one option to Anthony Davis, and you would think they will win a championship in the next few years. In the instances where a hierarchy hadn't been or flat out refused to have been established in certain teams, it's always going to end badly. Look at Butler's and Embiid's complaints about who is number one. How did that turn out? Warriors also quickly realized that KD needed to be the one.

What I'm seeing is with the Jazz at the moment, is that a hierarchy hasn't been truly established, and I'm not sure that some of our best players are willing to give up their status in the team at this point. I'm waiting until those pieces of the puzzle fall into place.