A Hypothetical about next year's draft. . .

[idiot]

The "prize" the Celtics got for making that trade was Romeo Langford. (Which is to say that the ultimate advantage of making the trade turned out to be nearly nil.)

It would have been a bad trade if Fultz was measurably better than Tatum. You'd better be very confident that the player you prefer will drop to 3 (or have them all rated essentially equal) for that to make a lot of sense.

I think it's far too early to predict one of those outcomes. Just too many pieces have to fall into place.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Trading back almost never works out. Best draft philosophy is to figure out who you want, move into a position to get them, and then take them right away.

There was a lot of speculation that the Nuggets traded back with the Jazz in 17’ with an eye towards taking OG Anunoby closer to the range he was projected in - he went one pick ahead of them.

I don’t care what the pick is or if they’re a “reach”, if you believe in the guy and you believe in your scouting process - you just take the player you want.

 

[silesian]

Trading back almost never works out. Best draft philosophy is to figure out who you want, move into a position to get them, and then take them right away.

There was a lot of speculation that the Nuggets traded back with the Jazz in 17’ with an eye towards taking OG Anunoby closer to the range he was projected in - he went one pick ahead of them.

I don’t care what the pick is or if they’re a “reach”, if you believe in the guy and you believe in your scouting process - you just take the player you want.

Not that simple. All teams have a "team board" and a "market board" and use both to optimize the value of their picks. Sure, grab a guy a few spots above market, but if you see a big disconnect you need to consider trading down. Many of us criticized the Jazz for taking Dok when they did when they could have landed him in the second round. Could have taken someone else with a first and then bought a second and taken him there, for example.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Jazz will have accumulated enough other picks that trading out of a #1 pick in this draft would be a mistake. There's just very little to gain from it in the larger scheme of things.

Jazz should just decide who they like and take him.

 

[framer]

Jazz will have accumulated enough other picks that trading out of a #1 pick in this draft would be a mistake. There's just very little to gain from it in the larger scheme of things.

Jazz should just decide who they like and take him.

But what if, after working everyone out, you like someone more than the French Guy and Scoot? Then trading to 3 is a no brainer, right? Although you would probably want to do it last second to avoid tipping off team #2 on who you are focused on.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

But what if, after working everyone out, you like someone more than the French Guy and Scoot? Then trading to 3 is a no brainer, right? Although you would probably want to do it last second to avoid tipping off team #2 on who you are focused on.

That scenario is possible in the case of the Thompsons and GG Jackson, imo. But normally there is a clear-cut #1 guy, and if the Jazz drop back to #3 they'd better be damn sure the guy they want will be there. For example, in 2017 the Celtics were very confident that the Sixers would draft Fultz #1 and the Lakers would draft Ball at #2, so Tatum would be there at #3. You'd pretty much need a gentleman's agreement as to which players teams are going to take.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah but I don't see a team taking a guy just because another team wants him, especially at that point in the draft. Now if you drop to 3rd and the 2nd team had already been eyeing the guy you want, then there is a significant risk. But if the guy you really want is mostly slated maybe 5th on out then the risk goes down of losing him, and you can gain assets in the move. Definitely need a clear picture of other team's draft positions that is certain, before you trade out of the 1st pick.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

My god this thread is a waste of time. If the jazz get the #1 pick and pass on Vic I will blow up, and the jazz will be a laughing stock of the league for the next 10+ years.

For hell sakes!! If you have the first pick this year you announce to the world “WE ARE TAKING VIC!!!”

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

This isn’t hard!!!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Idiots!!

 

[LogGrad98]

My god this thread is a waste of time. If the jazz get the #1 pick and pass on Vic I will blow up, and the jazz will be a laughing stock of the league for the next 10+ years.

For hell sakes!! If you have the first pick this year you announce to the world “WE ARE TAKING VIC!!!”

Nah, he's a bust waiting to happen. Best case maybe like Porzingis without the outside shot.

 

[framer]

Kanter and Exum were the "you absolutely have to draft them there" as well. Vic is the shakiest "Sure thing generational player" I have seen in my lifetime. He could be all that or he could be Ralph Sampson.