A Moment of Weakness

[Mission Accomplished]

But, we have GORDON HAYWARD move on from this thread nothing to see but some trolling

 

[fishonjazz]

We need a Batman, but only have a bunch of Robins.

Yep.
I do think we still need to find a star/#1 option alpha scorer if we really want to be contenders.

If we let the cake bake then I think we will be really good. Maybe even a top 5ish team. But without that true star I don't think we ever truly have a shot at the championship.

That's why I would be ok with trading one of our robins in the hopes of finding our Batman. I would like to trade Hayward due to his contract scenario for a top 3 pick in the hopes of drafting a star.

Or trade two robins and a pick or two for an established star like lillard or something.

Or trade one of our robins and picks, depending on how good this young potential star already is (giannis), for a young player with star potential.

Imo you have to always keep trying to find that true star player and once you get him you build around him. Right now I don't think we have a star.

 

[cowhide]

Yep.
I do think we still need to find a star/#1 option alpha scorer if we really want to be contenders.

If we let the cake bake then I think we will be really good. Maybe even a top 5ish team. But without that true star I don't think we ever truly have a shot at the championship.

That's why I would be ok with trading one of our robins in the hopes of finding our Batman. I would like to trade Hayward due to his contract scenario for a top 3 pick in the hopes of drafting a star.

Or trade two robins and a pick or two for an established star like lillard or something.

Or trade one of our robins and picks, depending on how good this young potential star already is (giannis), for a young player with star potential.

Imo you have to always keep trying to find that true star player and once you get him you build around him. Right now I don't think we have a star.

Do you really think the Blazers are going to trade Lillard? People on this board don't appreciate Hayward enough. Jazz should have drafted Giannis and in what world would the Bucks trade him?

Other teams want superstars too, they don't grow on trees and when a team has one they certainly don't want to trade them away. People get frustrated over losses like this and the first thing they want to do is change the team. Thankfully, the team ownership isn't like this. The Jazz need more scoring off the bench. Guys who can make shots under duress. They need to get healthy and continue to grow together.

When Exum comes back the Jazz bench will improve, a bench of Mack, Burks, FA/Draft pick, Lyles and Withey is better than what we have now.

 

[fishonjazz]

Do you really think the Blazers are going to trade Lillard?

Not really. That's why I listed a bunch of different things to try.

And I agree that getting superstars are hard and everyone wants them.

I still think my philosophy that you never stop trying to aquire them is a good one though despite how hard it is.

 

[Miggs]

Yep.
I do think we still need to find a star/#1 option alpha scorer if we really want to be contenders.

If we let the cake bake then I think we will be really good. Maybe even a top 5ish team. But without that true star I don't think we ever truly have a shot at the championship.

That's why I would be ok with trading one of our robins in the hopes of finding our Batman. I would like to trade Hayward due to his contract scenario for a top 3 pick in the hopes of drafting a star.

Or trade two robins and a pick or two for an established star like lillard or something.

Or trade one of our robins and picks, depending on how good this young potential star already is (giannis), for a young player with star potential.

Imo you have to always keep trying to find that true star player and once you get him you build around him. Right now I don't think we have a star.

I agree but think we could win it all, assuming Exum becomes really good (not a star per se) if a) our team passing gets better and more Dub/Spur like and b) our perimeter shooting percentages get better, think 40%ish. If those two things happen on the offensive end, and we are the dfensive stalwart I think we are with a healthy Exum and healthier Gobert, I think we could win it all. Maybe.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree but think we could win it all, assuming Exum becomes really good (not a star per se) if a) our team passing gets better and more Dub/Spur like and b) our perimeter shooting percentages get better, think 40%ish. If those two things happen on the offensive end, and we are the dfensive stalwart I think we are with a healthy Exum and healthier Gobert, I think we could win it all. Maybe.

I hope you are right. Damn, so much rides on exum I think.

 

[Miggs]

I hope you are right. Damn, so much rides on exum I think.

I think our biggest and most attainable area of improvement needs to be perimeter shooting. I see no reason Hood can't shoot 42% from three. I see no reason Hayward, Lyles and Burks can't shoot 38-40%. Exum and the rest around 36%. If we can do that and increase our team 3 point percentage from 35.7% to around 38.0% (that's the Spurs right now who are 2nd in the league), I think we vault next year into the top five teams in the league.

Crazy shooting is why the Dubs are gonna win 70+ games. Strong perimeter shooting is why the Hawks won over 60 last year out of nowhere. If we do that, and bring the d we all know we can bring, we win around 60 games next year. Yep, I said it.

 

[b_line]

Do you really think the Blazers are going to trade Lillard? People on this board don't appreciate Hayward enough. Jazz should have drafted Giannis and in what world would the Bucks trade him?

Other teams want superstars too, they don't grow on trees and when a team has one they certainly don't want to trade them away. People get frustrated over losses like this and the first thing they want to do is change the team. Thankfully, the team ownership isn't like this. The Jazz need more scoring off the bench. Guys who can make shots under duress. They need to get healthy and continue to grow together.

When Exum comes back the Jazz bench will improve, a bench of Mack, Burks, FA/Draft pick, Lyles and Withey is better than what we have now.

Great post. If we have a better bench and a healthy starting 5, we win over 50 games.

 

[b_line]

Not really. That's why I listed a bunch of different things to try.

And I agree that getting superstars are hard and everyone wants them.

I still think my philosophy that you never stop trying to aquire them is a good one though despite how hard it is.

I think if Exum, hood and favors keep improving, then Hayward will look more like a star. Just look at his improvement this year. He is over 20 ppg, and shooting decently. He is also respected around the league now as a top defensive player.


Also, the jazz are the second best team on the league at defending small forwards. That is in large part due to Hayward.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Yep and Quin's crucified his ***.

Redemption

The Loss to the Clippers was, as you know, painful and frustrating. I have found myself re thinking what I think about the Jazz long term future. One thing we know about The NBA is that you need a Star to win. The Jazz don't have one. Sure, there are a few outliers to this concept: The 04 Pistons somehow won a title without a Tier 1 Star, and you could make a case the Spurs in '14 did it as well, though that team had 3 future hall of famers, a budding Kawhi Leonard, and perhaps the greatest coach ever.

I started watching finals highlight videos and stumbled upon this gem of D Wade in 06. He was a BOSS. A true badass of the highest order. A man who could slay 1000 Vivent Smart Home Crusaders, if necessary. Take a look

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K5KwpkdDWxw

Anyway, it could me actually kind of bummed. The Jazz just don't have a guy like this, and quite frankly, have never had a guy like this. Don't get me wrong: John and Karl were absolutely incredible, just not in the same way. More incredible in their own way, but they were never able to win a title, perhaps solely because they ran into the greatest player/competitor of all time. Such a bummer because they deserved to win a title, no doubt.

Anyway, I don't want to get too off topic here. History has told us you need a Star to win titles. Most of the time you need a transcendent talent. I hope one day we can get a STUD to lead us to the promised land. I'm not saying I don't think It's possible Quin, G, Faves, Lyles, Exum, Hood, Burks, and Gobert could lead us to a title but it sure is not a blueprint that has generally worked in the past. If they do win a title, they will be the exception to the rule, no doubt.

Thoughts?

Have u ever seen more then YouTube highlights of the greatest duo in NBA history? They were great. Shut the hell up with this crap.

We have the premier defensive big. We have a 20 point scorer in Hayward. I think people forget that this is only hoods second year Favors is a great 2 way player and Exum will be a stud of the highest order. Burks is a killer off the bench, Lyles is the stretch/playmaking 4 we've always wanted. Mack is going to be one of the better back up pg's in the league Neto is the top three point shooting rookie in the league and can create his own shot and started over half the year at pg.

We have a killer three man rotation in Gobert Favors and Lyles. We have a killer rotation of Hayward hood and Burks. We have a killer rotation of Exum Neto and Mack.

What the hell do u want mr rodent. DL is the man and has built one killer of a foundation this team will compete for chips. Just stop posting please!!

 

[b_line]

Redemption


Have u ever seen more then YouTube highlights of the greatest duo in NBA history? They were great. Shut the hell up with this crap.

We have the premier defensive big. We have a 20 point scorer in Hayward. I think people forget that this is only hoods second year Favors is a great 2 way player and Exum will be a stud of the highest order. Burks is a killer off the bench, Lyles is the stretch/playmaking 4 we've always wanted. Mack is going to be one of the better back up pg's in the league Neto is the top three point shooting rookie in the league and can create his own shot and started over half the year at pg.

We have a killer three man rotation in Gobert Favors and Lyles. We have a killer rotation of Hayward hood and Burks. We have a killer rotation of Exum Neto and Mack.

What the hell do u want mr rodent. DL is the man and has built one killer of a foundation this team will compete for chips. Just stop posting please!!

Dropping thee heat! Good post.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Dropping thee heat! Good post.

And yet negativity on the Jazz runs rampant on this board. I find all too often people want their cake, and they want it now. I know it's hard as fans to be patient, but c'mon people!!! My hell!!