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silesian

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Is it just me, or do others wonder what type of "return on investment" the Jazz get from investing oodles of hours evaluating and developing players with a remote shot to make a 15 man roster? How many hours did our coaching staff invest in developing Elijah Millsap, for example?

The Jazz focus a fair share of their organizational bandwidth and millions into Summer League, D League, flying in and working out hundreds of third tier players, coaching salaries. For players who are likely to not make a team or sign elsewhere.

I believe they should retool this strategy to prioritize and focus on investments into developing players like Rudy, Dante, etc., and spend less time on the Chris Johnson's of the world. They can fairly easily round out the roster from nonaffiliated D leaguers and established veterans.
 
Rodney and Rudy seem to be developing extremely well. I would bet the jazz do this better than most teams.
 
b_line said:
Rodney and Rudy seem to be developing extremely well. I would bet the jazz do this better than most teams.
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Those are players the Jazz would have evaluated if they had 40 players work out for them instead of 100. Lyles and Burks were projected as possible lottery picks.

I think the OP is referring to the 50 or so that are brought in who are fringe prospects (later 2nd or undrafted). Jazz bring in far more players than other teams. But In two years, has DL found any "diamonds in the rough?" And by that, I mean players originally projected as 2nd rounders or undrafted. No, he hasn't. Even CJ and Millsap were plucked off the rosters of other DLeague teams. Heck, just pay homey a stipend to provide DLeague evaluations.

DL is just as likely to sell or trade away a 2nd round pick as to use it. These extra workouts are a joke. The old group did a better job assessing 2nd round or undrafted talent (eg Paul Millsap, Matthews). Maybe they should be holding FT shooting clinics for their existing players instead.
 
for real? This is probably the one thing you can't knock on this team. Even Kanter stopped doing that stupid thing where he would bring the ball down after offensive rebounds.
 
You guys are all missing Salesian's argument. He is NOT advocating abandoning development of players on the roster. His point is directed at the organization's undue concentration on 3rd tier players. Could the Jazz management, coaching and training staff be utilizing their time more wisely?
 
silesian said:
Is it just me, or do others wonder what type of "return on investment" the Jazz get from investing oodles of hours evaluating and developing players with a remote shot to make a 15 man roster? How many hours did our coaching staff invest in developing Elijah Millsap, for example?

The Jazz focus a fair share of their organizational bandwidth and millions into Summer League, D League, flying in and working out hundreds of third tier players, coaching salaries. For players who are likely to not make a team or sign elsewhere.

I believe they should retool this strategy to prioritize and focus on investments into developing players like Rudy, Dante, etc., and spend less time on the Chris Johnson's of the world. They can fairly easily round out the roster from nonaffiliated D leaguers and established veterans.
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surprised you didn't mention Raul Neto. How many hours -- and, more importantly, GAME MINUTES -- have been invested into that guy?

I support this thread because it's actually a covert anti-cakk thread
 
Ok, that's a fair argument. Neto is the crowning achievement thus far of all of Lindsey's extra efforts to evaluate fringe talent. All that time for a player so easily pushed aside by a 3rd stringer from another team obtained with a 2nd round pick.

Again, where is that Paul Millsap or Wesley Matthews find? The old guard invested half the time in workouts and had a better return on 2nd round and undrafted players.
 
Stifle Tower said:
You guys are all missing Salesian's argument. He is NOT advocating abandoning development of players on the roster. His point is directed at the organization's undue concentration on 3rd tier players. Could the Jazz management, coaching and training staff be utilizing their time more wisely?
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I think iii are missing the argument. He is saying abandon the fringe prospects in favor of developing better ones. He is saying the coaching staff only has so much time.

My argument was that the jazz are actually very good at developing their assets.

And they can find players on the fringe. Granted none of them have been Wes Matthews or paul millsap, but those guys are rare.

And Rudy was as close to a millsap like pick as it gets. End of the first round is not supposed to contribute. Hood for that matter too.

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b_line said:
I think iii are missing the argument. He is saying abandon the fringe prospects in favor of developing better ones. He is saying the coaching staff only has so much time.

My argument was that the jazz are actually very good at developing their assets.

And they can find players on the fringe. Granted none of them have been Wes Matthews or paul millsap, but those guys are rare.

And Rudy was as close to a millsap like pick as it gets. End of the first round is not supposed to contribute. Hood for that matter too.

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No, Rudy was not close to Paul nor Wesley. Rudy would have been brought in anyway. He was on the radar of a few teams as a late first/early 2nd. Hood was viewed as a potential late lottery pick.

We're talking about devoting so much time and resources right now to guys who are not expected to be drafted. There's a HUGE difference!

When you've had such a low ROI in 2 seasons on this, it's time to reassess. Maybe spend even more time evaluating prospects who are going to be there at #12. Or perhaps deciding to look at more draft and stash players. How about more time talking about FA's who might actually make an impact? Ultimately, DL will likely trade or sell a couple of 2nds. So why waste so much time with rec-league players?
 
Stifle Tower said:
No, Rudy was not close to Paul nor Wesley. Rudy would have been brought in anyway. He was on the radar of a few teams. Hood was viewed as a potential late lottery pick.

We're talking about devoting so much time and resources right now to guys who are not expected to be drafted. There's a HUGE difference!

When you've had such a low ROI in 2 seasons on this, it's time to reassess. Maybe spend even more time evaluating prospects who are going to be there at #12. Or perhaps deciding to look at more draft and stash players. How about more time talking about FA's who might actually make an impact? Ultimately, DL will likely trade or sell a couple of 2nds. So why waste so much time with rec-league players?
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I thought you wanted to find more guys like millsap and Wes Matthews? Not less.

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