Yeah they get like that... But Jebus and all that... People will never tire of using their religion as a pretext to tell other people how to live their lives.
Yeah they get like that... But Jebus and all that... People will never tire of using their religion as a pretext to tell other people how to live their lives.
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I'm curious what your thoughts on abortion are.
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Disagree - they're dying out fast and this is their last gasp - in the United States the number of people that identify themselves as being atheist or having no religious affiliation has increased exponentially over the last 30 years - some studies go as high as 26%. According to 538 you're more likely to meet a young adult today who is atheist than an Evangelical Christian.
The Roe v. Wade debate will always exist on some level because, let's face it, there's money to be made from it by both sides. But for every generation this is becoming more and more of a non-issue. And if you think that's not possible, look at the gay marriage debate today as opposed to 15 years ago when there was an actual vote in Congress to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning it. How far do you think that initiative would go today?
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Behold, the intellectualism of the right:
Might be the worst take I’ve ever seen.
Might be the worst take I’ve ever seen.
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Ya thats pretty stupid.
Yay we caught a child molester and get to put him behind bars!
I mean the 12 year old and the baby are totally ****ed but who cares!
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First, it's complicated.
I support abortion rights 100%. That part is not complicated.
But I feel that there is no solution, either full abortion rights with almost no restrictions or complete prohibition of abortion and nothing in-between, that is can possibly be "fair" to all involved.
For instance, if a woman wants an abortion but the father of the embryo wants to have that child the woman gets to end the pregnancy and deprive the father the opportunity to have a child. That is not fair.
Or, if a man does not want a child, is not prepared for being a father, has other life goals etc. but the woman wants to keep the pregnancy the man is liable (at the very least) for a portion the expenses of having and raising that child. He has absolutely no say in the matter. That's not fair.
So with full abortion rights a woman's rights her choices have total supremacy over the man's rights in the matter.
However, with total prohibition of abortion a woman has no say in her body being used to bear a child. While pregnancy lasts 9 months, it isn't as simple as that. It isn't over after 9 months even if the child is given up for adoption. I'm not going to try to attempt to list all of the consequences beyond just being pregnant, because there is no way I could do such a list justice. Needless to say, forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy is not fair. And on a scale of fairness, it is much much more not fair than the situations I listed above that pertain to men.
I specifically didn't talk about the fetus because I honestly do not think a fetus has any rights and I personally do not care if a pregnancy is carried to term or not as far as the fetus is concerned. The rights and concerns of the living people involved completely outweigh that of the fetus.
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When the pro lifers starts investing their time, money and energy behind stopping the root cause of abortions, namely unwanted pregnancies, with the same fervor that they want to stop the symptom, the abortion, then I'll start believing that it is not about controlling women.
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But That’s the tell!
It’s not about unwanted pregnancies. It’s never been about life. It’s always been about controlling women. It’s been that way since 1973 when Roe was ruled on.
Every single major “pro-life” group or important leader has always championed two things:
1. Overturning Roe so women can be punished again. Funny, they never ever talk about punishing the men doing the impregnating.
2. Abstinence only edu.
Which... Does zero to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
They never advocate for better healthcare, education, or paying for the pregnancy. Which explains that clearly they’re not “pro life.” They’re anti-abortion and pro-rolling back women’s rights.
This cartoon illustrates this perfectly:
Well death is always something to hope for.
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This is one of those issues that I can’t find any middle ground with fellow “Americans” on.
I’m pro choice.
I’m not pro abortion. I’m pro life. But I’m pro choice. Women should choose. Government has no business being involved with this issue. Neither should anyone else here outside of the woman making this personal choice.
I know too much about history when:
1. Women didn’t have choice. Rapists were empowered, a black market for abortion for the rich and white was created, and women of color or of the lower classes suffered. Get rid of women’s rights and we’ll go back to a hellish time.
2. It’s 2019, let’s stop treating women as second class citizens. Government has no business being involved with this. I’d think my “conservative” brethren would agree. Right? Nothing screams “big Gubbamint” more than making medical decisions for people, right? Or does “big gubbamint” only apply when talking about health care to poor people and gun regulation?
I’m pro choice.
I’m not pro abortion. I’m pro life. But I’m pro choice. Women should choose. Government has no business being involved with this issue. Neither should anyone else here outside of the woman making this personal choice.
I know too much about history when:
1. Women didn’t have choice. Rapists were empowered, a black market for abortion for the rich and white was created, and women of color or of the lower classes suffered. Get rid of women’s rights and we’ll go back to a hellish time.
2. It’s 2019, let’s stop treating women as second class citizens. Government has no business being involved with this. I’d think my “conservative” brethren would agree. Right? Nothing screams “big Gubbamint” more than making medical decisions for people, right? Or does “big gubbamint” only apply when talking about health care to poor people and gun regulation?
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Would that be a bad thing? We’ve now seen 3 years of the conservative religious right in action. I for one will be glad to see them gone. Are Bigots, hypocrites, and leeches like Farwell, Robertson, David Duke, Shapiro, and others really contributing positives to our society?
Good riddance to these false priests:
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Right?
Besides, I’m guessing a lot more dads who impregnate their daughters, probably abuse and starve their daughters so they miscarry than allow the “evidence” to be born.
Also... what of the 12 year old girl? I’m not a medical professional, but I’m guessing a girl at 12 giving birth is going to leave some long term physical, emotional, and mental damage. Abuse will always leave a mark. But why further punish her by carrying it full term?