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About 95% Official: Kyle Korver is Gone

prodigy said:
For some reason I still think Korver will be with the jazz next season in spite of drafting Hayward. D-will seems to have some say in re-signing guys and he's really close to kk. though our focus will be on matthews first and who knows where that takes us with other teams already looking at him.
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D-Will cant have it both ways. If he wants to upgrade the team to be a contender, he can't prioritize having buddies over gamers on the team. Korver is'nt worth more than 2-3 mil. He can be a decent little piece for a contending team, that just needs a shooter off the bench for additional depth. Say like the Magic or Lakers or Celtics. But to have him a as a major rotation player at SG playing 24-30 mins a game is disaster.
It would be nice if we could somehow convert CJ and Korver into one single solid player at SG.
 
theNBAnerd said:
korver is underrated, even by jazz fans. that said, what i blogged the other day about matthews is true of korver, too: he's not a main cog for a championship team, he'd be playing a role. you can't pay your role players major money if you want to win a title. i really think KK could be had for around 3M starting.

right now, our wing rotation for opening night is miles (improved, but still a long way from being a sure thing), hayward (should help if we have opie look-alike contests), matthews (great at his role, but limited) and scrubs. i'm not counting AK because, with our roster as it is right now, AK is going to have to play more 4 than 3. in other words, we're one ankle sprain away from giving othyus jeffers major minutes. we can afford another wing at the price range i'm talking about.
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Agreed but I wouldn't even pay him 3M. 2-2.5M. If he can't live with that, good riddance.
 
theNBAnerd said:
just remember that when kobe is lighting othys jeffers up for 50 because CJ has a sprained toe, wesley is in foul trouble and AK is playing up front.
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You can't re-sign people simply out of fear or based on what-ifs. That's what we did with Okur. We were afraid to lose a guy who stretched the defenses with his shooting and was beloved by most knowing full well he sucked on defense and was a major liability who could not co-exist with Boozer (on the defensive end) AND bring a title here. And why did we do that? The fear of fan backlash. The fear of limited team three point shooting. The fear of, Man, how will we be without him? That's no way to build a contender. At least not at that price. His value is not worth 1/6th or 1/7th of team salary.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
You can't re-sign people simply out of fear or based on what-ifs. That's what we did with Okur. We were afraid to lose a guy who stretched the defenses with his shooting and was beloved by most knowing full well he sucked on defense and was a major liability who could not co-exist with Boozer (on the defensive end) AND bring a title here. And why did we do that? The fear of fan backlash. The fear of limited team three point shooting. The fear of, Man, how will we be without him? That's no way to build a contender. At least not at that price. His value is not worth 1/6th or 1/7th of team salary.
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i'm not saying sign him based on a what-if. i'm saying sign him because:

a) he's underrated - jazz fans don't realize that, when healthy, he's one of our best wings
b) we need wing depth
c) he is the only consistent 3-point threat on the tea
d) 3-4M is not too much to pay for a specialist
e) we are a worse team without him than we are with him

here's our depth chart as of right now, assuming boozer walks but we keep fes and matthews:

memo (injured), fes, koufos
sap, AK
miles, hayward
matthews
deron, price

you're really saying we can't afford to spend role player money on another backup wing?
 
A guy who sets the all-time league record for 3-pt percentage is even more valuable than a greatly treasured commodity like Kapuno, I figure.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'm not saying sign him based on a what-if. i'm saying sign him because:

a) he's underrated - jazz fans don't realize that, when healthy, he's one of our best wings
b) we need wing depth
c) he is the only consistent 3-point threat on the tea
d) 3-4M is not too much to pay for a specialist
e) we are a worse team without him than we are with him

here's our depth chart as of right now, assuming boozer walks but we keep fes and matthews:

memo (injured), fes, koufos
sap, AK
miles, hayward
matthews
deron, price

you're really saying we can't afford to spend role player money on another backup wing?
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1) I find Korver to be our worst wing. I love his shooting, ability to hit off the curl, effort, and knowledge of our system but he's so flawed defensively (despite the effort) that it kills us in any and all big spots.
2) Yes we do. But AK, who you put only as the backup 4, is our 4th wing, assuming we match any deal on Wes.
3) True but I have no expectations for him to repeat last year's efforts. And I have enough faith in Deron, Wes, and C.J. now to be those threats.
4) For a 4th or 5th wing, in this NBA economic market, yes it is imo. The Celts were paying Eddie House less than 1M when he helped jumpstart them off the bench a couple years ago. We don't need to pay 3-4 times that.
5) Obviously, the same can be said for almost all NBA players who fit a role and know the system. But this is not reason enough to re-sign him.

No, what I'm saying is that 3-4M is too much for a role player with his glaring defensive deficiencies in this economic market as our current roster is constructed. And while role players are crucial to moving far into the playoffs, you win with impact players.

I'd rather lose him, give the time to Hayward so he can develop, and let AK walk/expire/leave via a trade so we have wiggle room next summer to get a potential impact player like Gasol or Horford. At that point, we'd also have just one year left on Okur's contract.

Just my opinion. I fully understand and respect yours. I just disagree with the price point.
 
theNBAnerd said:
just remember that when kobe is lighting othys jeffers up for 50 because CJ has a sprained toe, wesley is in foul trouble and AK is playing up front.
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As if Korver is a lockdown defender on whom Kobe has difficulty scoring.
Korver's lateral quickness is laughable.

I repeat, if you are close to contention, like the Magic or Lakers or some other East team that is going to win these FA sweepstakes like say the Bulls/Heat, then yes Korver can be a good piece, that final piece who can add instant scoring and some shooting depth off the bench.

But the Jazz are'nt quite contenders and I rather they spend time developing guys like Hayward than waste it on pushing-30 one-dimensional guys like Korver.

Especially If the Jazz lose Boozer they dont have any chance at contention, they might as well play Millsap and Koufus at PF, then have an AK/Miles/Hayward/Mathews rotation at 2/3. Or have Korver IN PLACE OF Mathews (or Miles). Doesnt make sense to have 5 wings again, with none of them being a standout. Might as well give a chance to Hayward to see if he can be the standout.

Also the Jazz can always scrounge the waiver wire or NBDL or RMR or undrafted list to sign a better scrub than Jeffers to cover for injury scenarios. Thats something the Jazz FO are actually good at-finding Wes Mathews like guys out of nowhere.

If the Jazz do sign Booz, then Korver can be given some consideration, in place of Wes or Miles.If they dont then it doesnt matter.
 
I would've preferred drafting Aldrich and keeping Korver. Makes a lot more sense to me than drafting a wing with a non-NBA physical profile (at 9, no less) that won't be able to defend and not having any clue what's going to happen at the 5 for the foreseeable future.
 
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