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Agents Puzzled By Jazz/Roger Braille

Brian T. Smith: Unresolved Roger Braille buyout situation complicates Howard's interest in re-signing with Jazz; more likely he'll choose another #NBA team.

Maybe Roger is just doing us a solid by making sure Howard cant re-sign with us.
 
1. Jazz don't want to sign anyone else. Having 15 under contract solves that problem. Much nicer than not calling someone back or having the police pay them a visit to tell them to stop stalking you.

2. Now a matter of pride. Raja and his agent agreed to buyout terms back in July. Then - and I suspect it was due to another team deciding not to sign Roger - they backed out of the deal. I'm assuming they now want a buyout on their new terms...likely close to his full salary. Jazz can simply sit tight. I believe they've only carried the full number of players one time in recent years. So they don't need the roster spot. If Braille wants his full salary, he'll have to remain on the team, but be inactive every game. If Roger wants to actually play, he'll need to sign the agreement he made in July and take a chance that another team actually wants him.
 
My favorite quote out of this entire mess is from Roger's agent:

"(Roger) hasn't refused or accepted anything."

Yet, ironically the problem errupted when Roger refused to accept that he was old, and should be glad to collect a check for sitting on the end of the bench and keeping his yapper shut.
 
Also, what kind of boss is KOC and Rigby?

"Welcome aboard Dennis, here's your office, we'll order you some pens and a name plate. Hey, by the way, we've got this little thing to finish up with Roger, its nothing really, so why don't you jump in and get your feet wet?"
 
why would agents even care about the bell situation? "oh, client, don't go sign with them, they take forever to buy out guys they don't want anymore." that's just silly.

my theory is that rudoy is the one planting this seed in an attempt to get leverage in the buyout talks. right now the jazz have all the leverage because they have less urgency to cut him today than braille has to be cut today so he can go sign with another team. they know that and as such are probably saying at this point, "our buyout offer is on the table, call us when you're ready to accept." there is no incentive for the jazz to come down on their buyout offer.

so then braille and his agent have to create some urgency in order to get the jazz to meet them at a more acceptable amount, and the only way they can do this is if they start getting others to talk about it in a way that sounds like it should embarrass the jazz.
 
mellow said:
My favorite quote out of this entire mess is from Roger's agent:

"(Roger) hasn't refused or accepted anything."

Yet, ironically the problem errupted when Roger refused to accept that he was old, and should be glad to collect a check for sitting on the end of the bench and keeping his yapper shut.
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yeah seriously... are we to believe that the jazz haven't made a buyout offer? they are the ones who leaked more than two months ago that a buyout was looming.
 
Any of the players left on free agency now are no better than roger is, so there is no motivation for the Jazz to lose money on a worse buyout.
 
I will never call Roger Braille by his given name ever again. People need to start bringing signage to Jazz games taunting him when the season starts
 
I believe Roger and his agent know that he won't get a chance with a NBA team anymore and Roger probably doensn't want to play in Europe or somewhere else, so now the question they have in their minds is: Do I sit here and get paid or leave and retire? They think it's better to sit around and get paid!
 
Man where are all the Raja lovers gone. I hope they can just come to some agreement and buy him out. Personally, I see ZERO reason to sign Howard because he will start complaining when he doesn't get the minutes (just like Watson did). Have the Jazz learned nothing from the Raja situation? Old washed up vets still think they can play will whine about minutes. If the Bobcats didn't want Howard why would the Jazz?
 
thebrazilianzz said:
I believe Roger and his agent know that he won't get a chance with a NBA team anymore and Roger probably doensn't want to play in Europe or somewhere else, so now the question they have in their minds is: Do I sit here and get paid or leave and retire? They think it's better to sit around and get paid!
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i still think somebody out there would like to sign him... which makes sense when you start thinking about why is there noise around this all of the sudden. if roger and his agent knew that he was done in the NBA, there would be no reason to try to convince the jazz to hurry on the buyout. they're trying to hurry things along because bell wants to be at some team's media day on october 1.

i'd be surprised if bell doesn't play at all this season.
 
Sounded more like the noise was coming from agents of other players who wanted to make a last pitch to the Jazz. Even if/when the Jazz waive Roger, I don't see them signing another player to a guaranteed deal. The two biggest trading chips are Millsap and Jefferson. And trading either might mean doing a 2-for-1 deal. KOC has always liked leaving the last spot empty heading into the season. If anything, I think it likely the Jazz go out and sign a PG to a non-guaranteed contract until Watson returns. IIRC, don't teams have until Jan 1 before deals become guaranteed for the remainder of the season?

I believe that's how Matthews made the team. Wings were hurt so he was kept on a non-guaranteed deal to start the season. At the deadline, the Jazz obviously picked up his contract instead of releasing him.

As for Raja, there's probably no urgency on his part. He and his agent know there is very little demand. If a team had wanted to sign him for the vet minimum (or more), he would have gladly signed a buyout agreement. I'll bet the Jazz offered him his 2012 salary LESS the vet minimum as the buyout rate. Makes sense now for Roger and his agent to just sit back and try to force the Jazz to waive him at his full salary if the team needs the roster spot or doesn't want him at camp. In fact, if I were Braille, I'd show up at camp and be the worst D-Bag I could possibly be. Clearly Corbin, KOC and Miller have shown they don't want Roger on the team. So force their hand. They could have amnestied Braille, but they didn't. So make them use the waiver system and get a full salary. I hate Roger, but he and the Jazz agreed to a contract. Jazz should just pay him his $3M and be done with it.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Let's make Roger suffer for making us suffer.
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cowhide said:
Man where are all the Roger lovers gone. I hope they can just come to some agreement and buy him out. Personally, I see ZERO reason to sign Howard because he will start complaining when he doesn't get the minutes (just like Watson did). Have the Jazz learned nothing from the Roger situation? Old washed up vets still think they can play will whine about minutes. If the Bobcats didn't want Howard why would the Jazz?
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theNBAnerd said:
i still think somebody out there would like to sign him... which makes sense when you start thinking about why is there noise around this all of the sudden. if roger and his agent knew that he was done in the NBA, there would be no reason to try to convince the jazz to hurry on the buyout. they're trying to hurry things along because Braille wants to be at some team's media day on october 1.

i'd be surprised if Braille doesn't play at all this season.
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MoTown16 said:
Sounded more like the noise was coming from agents of other players who wanted to make a last pitch to the Jazz. Even if/when the Jazz waive Roger, I don't see them signing another player to a guaranteed deal. The two biggest trading chips are Millsap and Jefferson. And trading either might mean doing a 2-for-1 deal. KOC has always liked leaving the last spot empty heading into the season. If anything, I think it likely the Jazz go out and sign a PG to a non-guaranteed contract until Watson returns. IIRC, don't teams have until Jan 1 before deals become guaranteed for the remainder of the season?

I believe that's how Matthews made the team. Wings were hurt so he was kept on a non-guaranteed deal to start the season. At the deadline, the Jazz obviously picked up his contract instead of releasing him.

As for Roger, there's probably no urgency on his part. He and his agent know there is very little demand. If a team had wanted to sign him for the vet minimum (or more), he would have gladly signed a buyout agreement. I'll bet the Jazz offered him his 2012 salary LESS the vet minimum as the buyout rate. Makes sense now for Roger and his agent to just sit back and try to force the Jazz to waive him at his full salary if the team needs the roster spot or doesn't want him at camp. In fact, if I were Braille, I'd show up at camp and be the worst D-Bag I could possibly be. Clearly Corbin, KOC and Miller have shown they don't want Roger on the team. So force their hand. They could have amnestied Braille, but they didn't. So make them use the waiver system and get a full salary. I hate Roger, but he and the Jazz agreed to a contract. Jazz should just pay him his $3M and be done with it.
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Why is this newsworthy? If he remains here, he'll be buried on the bench. If the biggest outside shot ever occurs and he begins to see regular playing time (say 15 minutes a night), then we can begin to tear our hair out. 'Til then, no worries.
 
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