Alec's court vision improvement

[Harambe]

A couple things wrong with your criticism. 1. The pass got there without much trouble.

I didn't say it didn't make it. Only said that Marv had to move to catch it. Had Marvin not been on his toes, that'd be a turnover.

2. Marvin should have been sliding to where the pass was heading.

Clearly he was, wasn't he?

I'm not saying it's bad. The fact that it still needs work does not invalidate your opinion that he's made great strides this year. Don't be so offended of constructive criticism.

 

[Stoked]

I didn't say it didn't make it. Only said that Marv had to move to catch it. Had Marvin not been on his toes, that'd be a turnover.



Clearly he was, wasn't he?

I'm not saying it's bad. The fact that it still needs work does not invalidate your opinion that he's made great strides this year. Don't be so offended of constructive criticism.

Franklin* seems to have a problem with anything short of blanket acceptance of anything he says.

 

[franklin]

I'm not saying it's bad. The fact that it still needs work does not invalidate your opinion that he's made great strides this year. Don't be so offended of constructive criticism.

I think you misunderstood my intent. What I wrote had nothing to do with defending an opinion, it was an analysis of that play.

Marvin was supposed to slide to where Burks was passing the ball to. Trusting your teammates to go to where they should be is important for Burks to make that play happen. Marvin got lazy and stopped short, so Burks had to make the pass even further behind him than is usual (corner or deep wing). Burks essentially bailed Marvin out by putting the pass as close to him as physically possible.

On Marvin's end, he might have been lazy because he doesn't think Burks will make that pass but heave up a prayer instead.

 

[Primetime]

I'm with Franklin on this one. Marvin should be deeper in the corner and it's still one hell of a pass by Alec!

 

[franklin]

this giffy sucks but I don't want to let 3 hours of work go down the drain. Check back tomorrow for a better version, if possible.

Excellent read by both Jeremy and Burks when the defense overplays. I love it when ball handlers turn force baseline into force them to defend me baseline and take away their advantage. The coaching staff deserves praise for the work they've done teaching these kinds of two fundamentals.

 

[Harambe]

I think you misunderstood my intent. What I wrote had nothing to do with defending an opinion, it was an analysis of that play.

Marvin was supposed to slide to where Burks was passing the ball to. Trusting your teammates to go to where they should be is important for Burks to make that play happen. Marvin got lazy and stopped short, so Burks had to make the pass even further behind him than is usual (corner or deep wing). Burks essentially bailed Marvin out by putting the pass as close to him as physically possible.

On Marvin's end, he might have been lazy because he doesn't think Burks will make that pass but heave up a prayer instead.

He couldn't see if Marvin was there or not. The play seems to be designed for Marvin to be there, Burks surely threw the ball to the most effective spot, but he had no idea if Marv actually made it there or not.

An exercise in trusting his team mates more, yes. Absolutely. Was Marvin out of place? Seems like it. Does it illustrate better court vision? Only if you count not being able to see and throwing the ball anyway.

 

[franklin]

He couldn't see if Marvin was there or not. The play seems to be designed for Marvin to be there, Burks surely threw the ball to the most effective spot, but he had no idea if Marv actually made it there or not.

An exercise in trusting his team mates more, yes. Absolutely. Was Marvin out of place? Seems like it. Does it illustrate better court vision? Only if you count not being able to see and throwing the ball anyway.

I think I see where you're coming from now. I don't define court vision this way, though. To me, it's more of an awareness of the moving pieces and anticipating where they'll be in the next moments than it is what you can see at an exact moment in time.

I watched this play 30-40 times before turning it into a .gif and had the same initial reaction as you. After several viewings I saw how he was reading the defense and understanding that the pass would be able to make it without being intercepted (it would have been more efficient/less dangerous if he had jump-turned and thrown the ball to an already wide open Marvin, but his job is to collapse everyone there while trying for a layup and that's what he chose).

Burks wasn't able to read these plays last season because the game was coming at him way too fast. He's slowed it down a ton, meaning he's so much more comfortable on the court and not forcing things with his head down and body aimed full speed at the hoop. Now he can do the simple things that, although not flashy or impressive to many fans, make all the difference in the final outcome. For instance, he can step back on the deep side pnr when they flash and dribble the other way with his head up looking to pass to the roll man. It doesn't look like anything special, but last season he would have tried plowing straight threw this and either charged or turned the ball over.

 

[Harambe]

I think I see where you're coming from now. I don't define court vision this way, though. To me, it's more of an awareness of the moving pieces and anticipating where they'll be in the next moments than it is what you can see at an exact moment in time.

I watched this play 30-40 times before turning it into a .gif and had the same initial reaction as you. After several viewings I saw how he was reading the defense and understanding that the pass would be able to make it without being intercepted (it would have been more efficient/less dangerous if he had jump-turned and thrown the ball to an already wide open Marvin, but his job is to collapse everyone there while trying for a layup and that's what he chose).

Burks wasn't able to read these plays last season because the game was coming at him way too fast. He's slowed it down a ton, meaning he's so much more comfortable on the court and not forcing things with his head down and body aimed full speed at the hoop. Now he can do the simple things that, although not flashy or impressive to many fans, make all the difference in the final outcome. For instance, he can step back on the deep side pnr when they flash and dribble the other way with his head up looking to pass to the roll man. It doesn't look like anything special, but last season he would have tried plowing straight threw this and either charged or turned the ball over.

Fair enough. One way or another, he's getting a lot better playing team ball. And I'm super excited to have him, and hope we keep him after his rookie contract expires.

 

[fishonjazz]

This thread make me <3 frank

 

[Getting Traded]

I think I see where you're coming from now. I don't define court vision this way, though. To me, it's more of an awareness of the moving pieces and anticipating where they'll be in the next moments than it is what you can see at an exact moment in time.

I watched this play 30-40 times before turning it into a .gif and had the same initial reaction as you. After several viewings I saw how he was reading the defense and understanding that the pass would be able to make it without being intercepted (it would have been more efficient/less dangerous if he had jump-turned and thrown the ball to an already wide open Marvin, but his job is to collapse everyone there while trying for a layup and that's what he chose).

Burks wasn't able to read these plays last season because the game was coming at him way too fast. He's slowed it down a ton, meaning he's so much more comfortable on the court and not forcing things with his head down and body aimed full speed at the hoop. Now he can do the simple things that, although not flashy or impressive to many fans, make all the difference in the final outcome. For instance, he can step back on the deep side pnr when they flash and dribble the other way with his head up looking to pass to the roll man. It doesn't look like anything special, but last season he would have tried plowing straight threw this and either charged or turned the ball over.

Meathead, you negged rep me for saying the Burks has elite quickness ??? All you said was thanks for the opportunity to neg rep you. Well, I've never neg repped you for any of your meathead commentary about Corbin. And here you are defending Burks. I think of lot of Burks' problems have been lack of confidence caused by the way Corbin has used him. He should be way ahead of where he is now. But thanks to Corbin he's just coming around after 3 years.