Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

[Deleted member 848]

If you ever actually want to read good **** that will educate you, Archie Moses, read Orientalism by Edward Said.


He’s Christian, by the way— and that text single handedly launched Middle Eastern Studies departments across the continent. That text will also provide you with a fantastic foundation of understanding current geopolitics in the Middle East other than “the Arab world is violent because IzLam”

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Which ones do you find problematic, and why

I'd have to search back several pages to even find the list. My recollection is that not only was most of it far more socialistic than I ever imagined America would ever consider becoming, but that it was also very unproductively hateful. The level of the dialogue is in the toilet these days. It's clear to me that we are miles apart politically, and that the divide is getting bigger. The left seems to be going farther and farther and farther left. The right seems to be getting farther and farther right. The extremes are sucking up all of the oxygen. Those of us in the middle (I'm center-right but I think the same thing is true of those who are center-left) are being asphyxiated.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'd have to search back several pages to even find the list. My recollection is that not only was most of it far more socialistic than I ever imagined America would ever consider becoming, but that it was also very unproductively hateful. The level of the dialogue is in the toilet these days. It's clear to me that we are miles apart politically, and that the divide is getting bigger. The left seems to be going farther and farther and farther left. The right seems to be getting farther and farther right. The extremes are sucking up all of the oxygen. Those of us in the middle (I'm center-right but I think the same thing is true of those who are center-left) are being asphyxiated.

Its hilarious that people think the new wave of social democrats like Bernie are that far left, they aren't.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Its hilarious that people think the new wave of social democrats like Bernie are that far left, they aren't.

They are much farther left than America has ever been. I don't see how anyone could possibly argue otherwise.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They are much farther left than America has ever been. I don't see how anyone could possibly argue otherwise.

America has been creeping to the right for the last 30 years. Corporatism has spiralled out of control. Now what is considered center is actually the right.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

America has been creeping to the right for the last 30 years. Corporatism has spiralled out of control. Now what is considered center is actually the right.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You don't know what you're talking about.

I do

 

[Jonah]

They are much farther left than America has ever been. I don't see how anyone could possibly argue otherwise.

I’m interested in learning more about FDR’s New Deal. Not sure how much farther to the left Bernie is than the restructuring of capitalism that occurred under FDR. Bernie has said his version of socialism is more an updated version of the New Deal than anything truly far left such as state ownership of the means of production.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Rich republican's kids tears about socialism are the best tears.

 

[One Brow]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Yet, he is completely correct in this.

 

[One Brow]

@dalamon,

Where's that list of articles saying the effects of racism on black politicians is larger than the effects of sexism on female politicians?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I’m interested in learning more about FDR’s New Deal. Not sure how much farther to the left Bernie is than the restructuring of capitalism that occurred under FDR. Bernie has said his version of socialism is more an updated version of the New Deal than anything truly far left such as state ownership of the means of production.

Bernie is touting New Deal to tug on the heartstrings of sentimental fools and young dolts. The New Deal has been institutionalized, deepened, broadened, and reformed over time to keep up with the times.

Many New Deal programs are latched onto by both parties, especially the right (i.e. farm stability). We largely use make work programs in ND fashion, either when necessary (Obama) or out of political expediency (both parties with infrastructure bills, funneling money to home states through military bases and industries). The make work bills are still largely structured to empower the private sector (the logical economic goal of all sane citizens). We still target subsidized loans to sectors, and now to citizens through home loan programs.

On the labor front, only organized labor has taken a direct hit, but our working conditions laws have replace a huge chunk of needing them. Retirement programs are pretty broad and replaced pensions. Minimum wage is still here. We have EITC, tax credits, food stamps, and other assistance to help the poor in low wage jobs. Social security. Our people are charitable and try to bring a Thanksgiving and Christmas to every family. We've effectively had socialized medicine for decades.