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All-Time NBA Draft Final Four: Ellis269 vs. One Love

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Ellis269 said:
Ewing and Webber have the same number of rings as Stockton and Malone for the same reason. Michael Jordan. Neither Nowitzki nor Duncan ever had to face those Bulls teams. They're both great players, but let's not pretend that winning championships in the 2000 is the same as winning championships in the 90s.

Statistically, they were equal in a tougher era. My backcourt crushes yours. Michael Jordan once averaged 43 points per game in the playoffs. Who, on your team, is going to stop that?
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Webber didn't win rings because of MJ? Huh?
 
spycam1 said:
Webber didn't win rings because of MJ? Huh?
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Ewing maybe. Nobody was beating the Bulls during their reign. Webber was a good, but not great player. He was never a guy to build around. Shouldn't have included him in that statement.

Trying to respond while driving. Probably not a good idea.
 
ONE LOVE said:
And yet Duncan/Nowitzki have a combined 6 Championship rings.... Ewing/Webber have none.
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How many rings does your backcourt have?

Mine has 13 to your 1.

Essentially, it's Jordan vs. Duncan. Supporting casts are pretty close. Stats are even offensively between the two groups (except in rebounds where I kill you), but my team is vastly superior defensively.

Both strong teams, but I think Jordan >>>> Duncan.

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Stats don't convince me honestly on anything, when I look at everyone's team I literally having seen a lot of everyone of these players I personally just visualize what a team of certain players look like on the court which is the main reason why I wanted to get into this contest, and when I put Ellis' team on the court and I see MJ with Scottie, and you give that duo Gary Payton and Patrick Ewing it's over. We seriously should've done 13 teams and just auto slotted Ellis into the championship game and let everyone fight for a chance to lose to him. Good job Ellis.
 
tfivas said:
Stats don't convince me honestly on anything, when I look at everyone's team I literally having seen a lot of everyone of these players I personally just visualize what a team of certain players look like on the court which is the main reason why I wanted to get into this contest, and when I put Ellis' team on the court and I see MJ with Scottie, and you give that duo Gary Payton and Patrick Ewing it's over. We seriously should've done 13 teams and just auto slotted Ellis into the championship game and let everyone fight for a chance to lose to him. Good job Ellis.
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His team has its issues. He's actually losing right now.
 
Ellis269 said:
Essentially, it's Jordan vs. Duncan. Supporting casts are pretty close. Stats are even offensively between the two groups (except in rebounds where I kill you), but my team is vastly superior defensively.

Both strong teams, but I think Jordan >>>> Duncan.
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Not sure about this matchup yet, but I disagree with that statement. Tim Duncan is widely regarded as the top PF ever. It's definitely Jordan > Duncan.
 
Ellis269 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. Duncan isn't even in my top 5 and MJ is the best player ever by a wide margin.
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Duncan is top-8 at the worst. We will have to agree to disagree because it's not a wide margin, while nobody will ever say LeBron is better than MJ, he is creeping up on him. Only thing holding LeBron back is his 2-4 Finals record against Jordan's 6-0.
 
spycam1 said:
His team has its issues. He's actually losing right now.
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Every team has issues. His starting PG would have been my backup if I'd gone that route. And while I really like each of his individual players, I don't love his backcourt at all. Hardaway, Drexler and Wilkins would have been a sieve defensively and Nowitzki in the starting lineup doesn't help that at all. For all my offensive deficiencies, his defensive ones are way bigger having to face Jordan, IMO.
 
Ellis269 said:
Every team has issues. His starting PG would have been my backup if I'd gone that route. And while I really like each of his individual players, I don't love his backcourt at all. Hardaway, Drexler and Wilkins would have been a sieve defensively and Nowitzki in the starting lineup doesn't help that at all. For all my offensive deficiencies, his defensive ones are way bigger having to face Jordan, IMO.
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Yeah, I'll probably end up voting for your team because of defense, but I wanna think about it some more.

Defense seems to be the biggest differences between these teams.
 
White Chocolate said:
Duncan is top-8 at the worst. We will have to agree to disagree because it's not a wide margin, while nobody will ever say LeBron is better than MJ, he is creeping up on him. Only thing holding LeBron back is his 2-4 Finals record against Jordan's 6-0.
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Top 8 at worst vs. best of all time. You want to put LeBron in that conversation, okay. . . I get that.

Duncan isn't in it. I can see making a better case for Hakeem, Magic, Larry, LeBron, Kareem and Wilt.
 
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White Chocolate said:
Duncan is top-8 at the worst. We will have to agree to disagree because it's not a wide margin, while nobody will ever say LeBron is better than MJ, he is creeping up on him. Only thing holding LeBron back is his 2-4 Finals record against Jordan's 6-0.
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My top 8 (No order)
MJ
Magic
Kareem
Hakeem
Bird
Kobe
Shaq
Wilt

Prolly depends on how you feel about Kobe but personally I would have Duncan 9 - 13....I think he got drafted a little high
 
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