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All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: spycam1 vs. Jeffrey32

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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I will add this. You can hype Olajuwon all you want, and I am a huge fan of his, I legit think he is top 3 centers of all-time. But that does NOT mean he automatically dominates everyone he ever plays against. Check this out:

Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Hakeem Olajuwon 15 8 7 12 33.1 6.7 13.9 .483 0.1 0.1 .500 3.1 5.0 .627 2.0 6.9 8.9 2.7 1.7 2.5 1.7 3.5 16.7
Alonzo Mourning 15 7 8 15 34.7 5.3 10.9 .485 0.0 0.1 .000 4.9 6.9 .712 3.2 6.6 9.8 1.4 0.8 1.9 4.2 3.8 15.5

I don't know how to get it to paste as a table, so here is the link:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=mournal01

Mourning more or less played Olajuwon to a stand-still in their head to head match-ups.

Rodman is another one. I fully admit he was one of the best rebounders of all time (yeah I saw the graphs, but they still do not take into account things like pace, opponent rebounding percentages, FG%, and overall rebounding talent in that era...still think he is one of the tops but that is not a perfect number, as I am sure you know). I also do not buy that he was this all-powerful defender. He did well in his sphere, but he was never the missing single piece to the championship. Hell for the first 3-peat the Bulls had Bill Cartwright and Will Perdue as their centers, anything but defensive powerhouses. Rodman added a new depth and helped them set a regular season record, but he was not some defensive God. So I checked the head to head for the other key matchup here. And frankly Barkley ate Rodman's lunch.

Dennis Rodman 36 24 12 22 31.9 3.4 6.2 .543 0.1 0.3 .167 0.8 1.6 .483 4.1 7.5 11.7 1.9 0.6 0.9 1.3 3.8 7.6
Charles Barkley 36 12 24 34 39.6 8.7 16.3 .533 0.4 1.9 .229 5.9 8.2 .719 4.6 8.4 13.0 3.7 0.8 0.7 2.6 3.1 23.7

Rodman won the win/loss part of this, mostly for being on better teams, but he lost soundly in the head to head overall. His vaunted rebounding edge? Evaporated.


So there is a piece of it anyway.



As far as your question, yes #2 and #3 were different. :)
 
You make some good points, Log, but clearly did not actually look at the Rodman article.

Also, you even stated that you would have taken Hakeem #2 overall in this fantasy draft.

What was your actual reasoning in your voting decision?
 
Just wanna say good match to Jeffrey. Possibly the best match Jazzfanz has ever seen in these fantasy tournaments.
 
For me the deciding factor was the bench.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I will add this. You can hype Olajuwon all you want, and I am a huge fan of his, I legit think he is top 3 centers of all-time. But that does NOT mean he automatically dominates everyone he ever plays against. Check this out:

Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Hakeem Olajuwon 15 8 7 12 33.1 6.7 13.9 .483 0.1 0.1 .500 3.1 5.0 .627 2.0 6.9 8.9 2.7 1.7 2.5 1.7 3.5 16.7
Alonzo Mourning 15 7 8 15 34.7 5.3 10.9 .485 0.0 0.1 .000 4.9 6.9 .712 3.2 6.6 9.8 1.4 0.8 1.9 4.2 3.8 15.5

I don't know how to get it to paste as a table, so here is the link:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=mournal01

Mourning more or less played Olajuwon to a stand-still in their head to head match-ups.

Rodman is another one. I fully admit he was one of the best rebounders of all time (yeah I saw the graphs, but they still do not take into account things like pace, opponent rebounding percentages, FG%, and overall rebounding talent in that era...still think he is one of the tops but that is not a perfect number, as I am sure you know). I also do not buy that he was this all-powerful defender. He did well in his sphere, but he was never the missing single piece to the championship. Hell for the first 3-peat the Bulls had Bill Cartwright and Will Perdue as their centers, anything but defensive powerhouses. Rodman added a new depth and helped them set a regular season record, but he was not some defensive God. So I checked the head to head for the other key matchup here. And frankly Barkley ate Rodman's lunch.

Dennis Rodman 36 24 12 22 31.9 3.4 6.2 .543 0.1 0.3 .167 0.8 1.6 .483 4.1 7.5 11.7 1.9 0.6 0.9 1.3 3.8 7.6
Charles Barkley 36 12 24 34 39.6 8.7 16.3 .533 0.4 1.9 .229 5.9 8.2 .719 4.6 8.4 13.0 3.7 0.8 0.7 2.6 3.1 23.7

Rodman won the win/loss part of this, mostly for being on better teams, but he lost soundly in the head to head overall. His vaunted rebounding edge? Evaporated.


So there is a piece of it anyway.



As far as your question, yes #2 and #3 were different. :)
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Nice. I think if I actually had that evidence early on, I might have won this round. Thanks Log!

That's a fun website! Granted Bird was past his prime and Majerle was before his, but Majerle was not terrible overall against Bird. If both were in their prime, I imagine it would be a similar result, which isn't bad for my team. If Majerle can keep Bird to just 20 and drop 15 for himself, I would consider that a successful game for Thunder Dan.

https://bkref.com/tiny/qFPWr

Here's to a rematch in the Finals!!!
 
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