An explanation of why, mathematically, this has been the most frustration Jazz season of all time.

[NAOS]

One more thing. Many people were throwing around the names danny green, demarre carroll, and wes matthews as players that the jazz should have aquired last year. (Which would have pushed ingles out of the rotations as the 4th wing and made that new free agent, burks, hood, or hayward the 4th wing... when healthy or third wing when an injury like burks hit. Of course during free agency last summer burks was healthy so we expect one of those guys to take ingles spot as the 4th wing)

Wes matthews is making 16.4 million this year and 18.6 million at the end of his contract. (he wont be a spring chicken at that point either). He is shooting 39% from the field, 36% from three, for 13.4 points per 36, 3.2 rebounds per 36, 2.0 assits per 36, and 1 steal per 36.

Demarre carroll is making 13.5 million this year and will make 15.5 million at the end of his contract. He only played in 26 games this year and shot 39% from the field, 39% from 3, for 13.1 points per 36, 5.6 rebounds per 36, 1.2 assist per 36, and 2.0 steals per 36.

Danny green is making 10 million this season and 10 million throughout his contract. He is shooting 37.5% from the field, 33% from three, for 9.9 point per 36, 5.3 rebounds per 36, 2.4 assists per 36, and 1.4 steals per 36.

Joe ingles is making 2.2 million this season and 2.2 million next year (last year of his deal). He is shooting 42% from the field, 38% from 3, for 9.7 points per 36, 4.4 rebounds per 36, 2.7 assists per 36, and 1.6 steals per 36.

Im pretty happy with ingles production at his price to be our 4th wing. Plus ingles wont hurt us with his contract going forward to be able to sign more players and re-sign our own.

Sometimes not signing guys is actually the best thing that could happen.

you can't predict injuries.... But the player DeMarre was last year in ATL is exactly what we need, IMO. And, yup, I'd still play a triple-wing offense for 20 minutes a game in order to accommodate for such a player.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

*These are last minutes clutch stats too, so the most clutch of clutch time*

You know Hayward is one of the best clutch shooters in the NBA? He is tied for the 2nd most FGM in the last minute of a game within 5 points. Only Durant and Lebron have more (and it's only 1 more FG). You know what else? Hayward actually shoots a much better % on those shots than either of those two guys. Hayward shoots 56% on these shots, Lebron shoots 46% and KD shoots 40%.

Hayward shoots 56 ****ing percent. The only other players who shoot above 50% (who are in the top 40 in attempts) are Isiah Thomas (52%) and Dirk Nowitzki (50%).

So we really need that guy who can hit a big clutch shot. GUESS WHAT IDIOTS? WE HAVE THAT PLAYER!

It's ****ing comical how many people on this board say "Damn, game is on the line in the final minutes, I really want Hood to take teh shot, not Hayward". Guess what Hood shot in the final minutes of a close game? 26%

It's pathetic how blind some Jazz fans are to how good Hayward is and how much he carried the team yet again. We need a quick penetrator and playmaking PG who can help take ball-handling pressure off him so he can continue to hit these insanely clutch shots and get the hard earned buckets in clutch time that he gets at the highest rate in the ****ing NBA.

This myth that we need a closer needs to ****ing end. It's so uninformed and foolish.

*Further stats*

Hayward went to the line 50 times in the clutch, good for 15th most attempts. He made 40 of these attempts for 80% (also debunks the myth that Hayward becomes a markedly worse FT shooter in the clutch as 80% is right in line with his season averages).

https://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/

Thank you Cy. Been saying this all year. Biggest problem the Jazz have had is defense in the clutch and Hood stealing some of Haywards touches down the stretch. I don't have stats or anything but it seemed the defense was really bad down the stretch of games in close contests.

If injuries are the same for each team then jazz roster/record > blazers roster/record.

Read my mind. The Jazz are set up much better then Portland is

One more thing. Many people were throwing around the names danny green, demarre carroll, and wes matthews as players that the jazz should have aquired last year. (Which would have pushed ingles out of the rotations as the 4th wing and made that new free agent, burks, hood, or hayward the 4th wing... when healthy or third wing when an injury like burks hit. Of course during free agency last summer burks was healthy so we expect one of those guys to take ingles spot as the 4th wing)

Wes matthews is making 16.4 million this year and 18.6 million at the end of his contract. (he wont be a spring chicken at that point either). He is shooting 39% from the field, 36% from three, for 13.4 points per 36, 3.2 rebounds per 36, 2.0 assits per 36, and 1 steal per 36.

Demarre carroll is making 13.5 million this year and will make 15.5 million at the end of his contract. He only played in 26 games this year and shot 39% from the field, 39% from 3, for 13.1 points per 36, 5.6 rebounds per 36, 1.2 assist per 36, and 2.0 steals per 36.

Danny green is making 10 million this season and 10 million throughout his contract. He is shooting 37.5% from the field, 33% from three, for 9.9 point per 36, 5.3 rebounds per 36, 2.4 assists per 36, and 1.4 steals per 36.

Joe ingles is making 2.2 million this season and 2.2 million next year (last year of his deal). He is shooting 42% from the field, 38% from 3, for 9.7 points per 36, 4.4 rebounds per 36, 2.7 assists per 36, and 1.6 steals per 36.

Im pretty happy with ingles production at his price to be our 4th wing. Plus ingles wont hurt us with his contract going forward to be able to sign more players and re-sign our own.

Sometimes not signing guys is actually the best thing that could happen.

Hell of a post. Anyways, not sure I want a backup wing to make that much money, and always felt it was unrealistic to think any of those players would want to sign here as a backup.

 

[NAOS]

Lulz with Burks at the 1 for 20 minutes and Pleiss getting burn.

I'd still play Burks for 20 minutes as the "one" in the triple-wing lineup. (If the season were hypothetically to begin today, and Exum is still hypothetically injured, then I'd even START Burks at the "one". I'm not swayed from this. What did we gain by starting Neto all those games?)

And everybody thought Pleiss would get sparse minutes. Even Dennis Lindsey.


Also, I nearly passed out laughing when you suggested drafting Luwawu and signing Bazemore. Keep acting tough, brough... and then mimicking my ideas. cool.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If we put big money on anyone, it should be a PG. Going out and overpaying for a starting caliber wing to be our 3rd or 4th wing isn't solving any issues.

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[NAOS]

Lulz with Burks at the 1 for 20 minutes and Pleiss getting burn.

I'd still play Burks for 20 minutes as the "one" in the triple-wing lineup. (If the season were hypothetically to begin today, and Exum is still hypothetically injured, then I'd even START Burks at the "one". I'm not swayed from this. What did we gain by starting Neto all those games?)

And everybody thought Pleiss would get sparse minutes. Even Dennis Lindsey.


Also, I nearly passed out laughing when you suggested drafting Luwawu and signing Bazemore. Keep acting tough, brough... and then mimicking my ideas. cool.

Also, you can't support drafting Luwawu and signing Bazemore unless you also support a triple-wing lineup for heavy minutes. There wouldn't be enough minutes for these players otherwise.

 

[fufo]

MIKE CONLEY


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[fishonjazz]

If we put big money on anyone, it should be a PG. Going out and overpaying for a starting caliber wing to be our 3rd or 4th wing isn't solving any issues.

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I agree with this. Strictly talking about acquiring free agents to add to our current roster.

Im also good with trading anyone on our roster for a star player. But teams don't really trade a batman for a some robins unless their batman is on the last year of their contact and not expected to re-sign or their batman is a disgruntled headcase. Both situations would be extremely risky situations.

 

[fishonjazz]

MIKE CONLEY


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I'm down.

 

[Miggs]

**** it. Third me.

Conley-Exum-Neto
Hood-Burks
Hayward-Nigel Hayes-Ingles
Favors-Lyles
Gobert-Withey-other 2nd rounder

Trade our 1st for a 1st next year.

Cool?

 

[Miggs]

Also, with a deeper roster, I'd really like to see us increase our pace and maybe have our starters play less time. Run teams into the ground.

 

[fishonjazz]

**** it. Third me.

Conley-Exum-Neto
Hood-Burks
Hayward-Nigel Hayes-Ingles
Favors-Lyles
Gobert-Withey-other 2nd rounder

Trade our 1st for a 1st next year.

Cool?

If that team just had a normal amount of injuries and conley fits in well (I think he would) then we win 50 games imo.

I would want one other cheap big.

Our wings would be set and exun could even play at the 2 if necessary.

What was conleys injury?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

MIKE CONLEY


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The only FA worth over 15,000,000 I would consider signing.

Other cheap options I would be interested in:

Brandon Jennings
Allen Crabbe (though he is a RFA, I don't know what price would have to be paid for Portland not to match, it'd be worth it just to **** them over into signing him to a bigger contract than they wanted)
Mario Chalmers
Jeremy Lin (doubt he takes player option)
OJ Mayo (is there something there to resurrect?)
Matthew Dellavedova (Can the Cavs afford to match anything on him?)
Gerald Green (**** year in Miami, but that can only make him cheaper and more desperate to take a non-guaranteed minutes role)
Mirza Teletovic