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And that is why I never want the Jazz to even think about trading for Luka

Ron Mexico said:
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Not to me. If you are only passing expecting to get an assist you're still selfish. You need to move the ball around to not be selfish. Dribbling the **** out of the ball and you either try to score or only pass to an open player with the expectation they will immediately try to score is selfish play. I think Doncic is a very good player but extremely selfish and his antics are annoying to watch. I'm sure I would be happy to have him if it happened though. He's a very Harden type player.
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Ya you can actually look up total number of passes as well and find Luka looking pretty good.

Luka has high usage. Number 1 in the league.
Others with really high usage are SGA, Gianni's, ant, etc. Luka passes the ball more than those guys.

Also, do you think the Mavs would be a better team if Luka decreased his usage? My bet is that Jason Kidd and all of Luka teammates want him to have extremely high usage. I bet that they like winning games.
It would be selfish of Luka to lower his usage to make fans like him more only to result in hurting his teams chances of winning.

Edit: Embiid had the highest usage in the league.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can selfishly get assist.
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Certainly. Luka also passes the ball a lot without getting assists. Look up the players who pass the ball the most (not assists)

Luka has the highest usage in the league. But what he does with that high usage is more unselfish and successful than most all the other top 10 high usage players in the league.

Edit: Joel Embiid had the highest usage in the NBA this season.

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SoberasHotRod said:
AST Ratio is better. Luka has the second highest AST Ratio of all players with a >30% usg. He's 7th highest for the top 50 usg% players.
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Ya he actually passes more than most of the high usage players in the league.
Offensively there isn't much to be critical about from Luka. He is a 24 year old offensive assassin with a great all around offensive game (turnovers are too high though imo)

Defensively there is plenty to complain about and he does whine to the refs more than most.

Jazz would be EXTREMELY lucky to have him on the roster. So would every team in the NBA.

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fishonjazz said:
Ya you can actually look up total number of passes as well and find Luka looking pretty good.

Luka has high usage. Number 1 in the league.
Others with really high usage are SGA, Gianni's, ant, etc. Luka passes the ball more than those guys.

Also, do you think the Mavs would be a better team if Luka decreased his usage? My bet is that Jason Kidd and all of Luka teammates want him to have extremely high usage. I bet that they like winning games.
It would be selfish of Luka to lower his usage to make fans like him more only to result in hurting his teams chances of winning.

Edit: Embiid had the highest usage in the league.

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Well said. Luka is always going to be high usage - as with all great offensive players - but he is also playing the way he is based upon the kind of talent that is around him.
 
fishonjazz said:
That is a different discussion than the OP is having though

What if the jazz could trade Luka samanic for Luka doncic? Would you be down with that trade from a jazz perspective?
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Do you remember that weird Marshon Brooks/Dillon Brooks trade? The teams got confused on the last names and agreed to the trade but were talking about different players?

We gotta do that, but in some super ****** but somehow legally binding away. Get Luka Samanic to Dallas, and then offer a trade for Luka S. but in some ******** footnote clarify that Luka S. is Luka Slovenia. Boom.
 
stitches said:
Wish we had a selfish, blackhole on O, matador on D, no clutch, whiner, overweight, butchy, primadonna, not a winner Luka Doncic.
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Is there any other kind?
 
stitches said:
Wish we had a selfish, blackhole on O, matador on D, no clutch, whiner, overweight, butchy, primadonna, not a winner Luka Doncic.
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You can have him. You all complained about Mitchell's play? Luka is Mitchell to the nth degree. I don't think I've seen worse D and his constant whining takes away from his D, while making watching him unbearable. He's exactly the same as Harden, but much more extreme in the whine department. For what it would cost to trade for him, and what he does or doesn't add to the team, no thank you.
 
We couldn't get him in a trade for every asset we have so that is a moot point. I really don't see an argument to say that Luka is a more selfish or me first player than Mitchell, I see no evidence of that. Luka has carried worse teams much further than Mitchell ever has as well.
 
baka98 said:
You can have him. You all complained about Mitchell's play? Luka is Mitchell to the nth degree. I don't think I've seen worse D and his constant whining takes away from his D, while making watching him unbearable. He's exactly the same as Harden, but much more extreme in the whine department. For what it would cost to trade for him, and what he does or doesn't add to the team, no thank you.
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You should compare Donovan and Luka if you want to make this claim. Compare their size, their age, their stats, their contracts, their awards, how far they have gotten in the playoffs etc.

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Luka is easily one of the 2 or 3 best offensive players in the league and maybe the best. Great shooter with great court awareness. However, his defense blows. His footwork is extremely bad and he whines at least as much as Lebron and Harden. Maybe if he got rid of the dad bod it could help his feet on defense so he isn't always late to get into position so he has to foul or just let the opponent go by.
 
baka98 said:
You can have him. You all complained about Mitchell's play? Luka is Mitchell to the nth degree. I don't think I've seen worse D and his constant whining takes away from his D, while making watching him unbearable. He's exactly the same as Harden, but much more extreme in the whine department. For what it would cost to trade for him, and what he does or doesn't add to the team, no thank you.
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Eh, he got his team to the finals.
 
default said:
Luka is easily one of the 2 or 3 best offensive players in the league and maybe the best. Great shooter with great court awareness. However, his defense blows. His footwork is extremely bad and he whines at least as much as Lebron and Harden. Maybe if he got rid of the dad bod it could help his feet on defense so he isn't always late to get into position so he has to foul or just let the opponent go by.
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This

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default said:
Luka is easily one of the 2 or 3 best offensive players in the league and maybe the best. Great shooter with great court awareness. However, his defense blows. His footwork is extremely bad and he whines at least as much as Lebron and Harden. Maybe if he got rid of the dad bod it could help his feet on defense so he isn't always late to get into position so he has to foul or just let the opponent go by.
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His dad bod carried the Mav Kids to the pool.

Go watch highlights from the other series and you will see lob after lob after lob against OKC. Lively, Washington, and Gafford were fed over and over again by Luka.

The Celtics are a better TEAM. I would love to have Luka and Maarkanen highlight our roster. It would give me a reason to start watching games again.
 
fishonjazz said:
You should compare Donovan and Luka if you want to make this claim. Compare their size, their age, their stats, their contracts, their awards, how far they have gotten in the playoffs etc.

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Don't want to, don't need to, don't want him. I can tell what ship you're on and we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
baka98 said:
Don't want to, don't need to, don't want him. I can tell what ship you're on and we'll have to agree to disagree.
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You made the comparison to Donovan not me.

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David Hume said:
Luka Doncic is a player of substantive qualities, a worthy opponent of thy Jazz. Were he to defect from the Dallas Horses to thy Jazz, he would bring sublime “passing” and throwing abilities. His basketball intellect is noteworthy, I rank him as a genius along the lines of Machiavelli and Hobbes.
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Dude can certainly transform primal physical attributes into complex, commanding basketball power. I guess Thomas and Nick would like your approach sir.
 
Logged in for the first time in like 15 years just to say this post is shockingly stupid. Some people here would really rather have an imaginary basketball purity than win a championship.
 
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