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[Stoked]

"Well Regulated" is a strong descriptor you're ignoring.

I'm not ignoring it at all. None of that will stop someone from deciding to do something foolish. you will still have millions of Americans with guns, often the guns the left wants banned. Any of them can still snap and go on a killing spree.

But in this scenario it would have to go thru several court battles and establish a new precedent. The current precedent of court decisions goes directly against this. Possible but very unlikely any time soon (several decades imo)

 

[Harambe]

I'm not ignoring it at all. None of that will stop someone from deciding to do something foolish. you will still have millions of Americans with guns, often the guns the left wants banned. Any of them can still snap and go on a killing spree.

But in this scenario it would have to go thru several court battles and establish a new precedent. The current precedent of court decisions goes directly against this. Possible but very unlikely any time soon (several decades imo)

The most recent court battles have been treated as exceptions, and fallen short of making it the rule. At any given point in time, that could change. We already have over a hundred years of hearings and court battles on it.

 

[Harambe]

But we keep moving off track.

Provide our country with a better option, and we're going to take it.

 

[Stoked]

But we keep moving off track.

Provide our country with a better option, and we're going to take it.

That is part of the problem imo. This being considered a "better option" is entirely subjective. I am not sure that many gun rights advocates would agree that reinterpreting the 2nd amendment, thru court cases, is a better option.

I think it is by far the most likely of anything discussed so far though.

 

[Harambe]

That is part of the problem imo. This being considered a "better option" is entirely subjective. I am not sure that many gun rights advocates would agree that reinterpreting the 2nd amendment, thru court cases, is a better option.

I think it is by far the most likely of anything discussed so far though.

The only evidence that exists that banning guns results in fewer gun related deaths from Australia, says it is plausible. It's not a perfect example, as there are differences between the two countries, but it's as close as exists.

Everything else is complete speculation based on gut feelings, and has as a differential diagnosis of gluteus dolor.

 

[Stoked]

The only evidence that exists that banning guns results in fewer gun related deaths from Australia, says it is plausible. It's not a perfect example, as there are differences between the two countries, but it's as close as exists.

Everything else is complete speculation based on gut feelings, and has as a differential diagnosis of gluteus dolor.

It is the best example but the differences are huge.

Culture, racial mix up, Australia has no land borders, population, number of guns, culture changes just within the US...

Everything else is speculation, both ways.

 

[one eye]

ElRoacho, again I'll go back to the point America is so much different, obviously you agree.

The pure amount of firearms being sold is a good indicator Americans aren't going to go quietly on this issue. The biggest surges in firearm sales have been assault weapons and handguns, the guns control advocates want to regulate heavily. To me the giant surge in the sale of those weapons is an indicator of how many Americans aren't going to agree with regulations and we will have some serious issues.

 

[The Midnight]

I wonder what an average American think about purchasing a gun to protect oneself? How about a single mom living with two kids? How about an old lady living by herself. Or maybe a young couple who are just about to settle down with their first jobs? Are these people comfortable having guns and using them?


I still think there is a better way to 'collectively' protect these vulnerable people than to arm them.

 

[Harambe]

ElRoacho, again I'll go back to the point America is so much different, obviously you agree.

The pure amount of firearms being sold is a good indicator Americans aren't going to go quietly on this issue. The biggest surges in firearm sales have been assault weapons and handguns, the guns control advocates want to regulate heavily. To me the giant surge in the sale of those weapons is an indicator of how many Americans aren't going to agree with regulations and we will have some serious issues.

I'd like to see a breakdown of how many individuals purchased how many weapons, and where, before I even consider that to be evidence of a resistance so great laws can't curb it.

 

[Harambe]

It is the best example but the differences are huge.

Culture, racial mix up, Australia has no land borders, population, number of guns, culture changes just within the US...

Everything else is speculation, both ways.

A culture change is all I'm concerned about. Racial mixupa, land borders, population, number of guns can all be overcome easily. Redneckness; not so much.

 

[Stoked]

I wonder what an average American think about purchasing a gun to protect oneself? How about a single mom living with two kids? How about an old lady living by herself. Or maybe a young couple who are just about to settle down with their first jobs? Are these people comfortable having guns and using them?


I still think there is a better way to 'collectively' protect these vulnerable people than to arm them.

Considering the number of reported gun owners and number of guns owned I think Americans are far more comfortable with it than most countries.

 

[Stoked]

A culture change is all I'm concerned about. Racial mixupa, land borders, population, number of guns can all be overcome easily. Redneckness; not so much.

I disagree. Some of those will take many years, billions and huge cultural shifts to change.