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Country X is having problems with fatal car accidents involving volkswagons.
Country X bans volkswagons from driving on the road.
The next year, Country X has 0 reported volkswagon related car accidents.

A total ban on guns is the nuclear option. But how bad does it have to get before we pull that trigger?
 
ElRoach0 said:
Country X is having problems with fatal car accidents involving volkswagons.
Country X bans volkswagons from driving on the road.
The next year, Country X has 0 reported volkswagon related car accidents.

A total ban on guns is the nuclear option. But how bad does it have to get before we pull that trigger?
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Banning guns would not eliminate guns. It's not even remotely like banning a certain brand of car. Bad analogy.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Country X is having problems with fatal car accidents involving volkswagons.
Country X bans volkswagons from driving on the road.
The next year, Country X has 0 reported volkswagon related car accidents.
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This only means that there will be an equal number of fatal car crashes involving other brands of cars.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Country X is having problems with fatal car accidents involving volkswagons.
Country X bans volkswagons from driving on the road.
The next year, Country X has 0 reported volkswagon related car accidents.

A total ban on guns is the nuclear option. But how bad does it have to get before we pull that trigger?
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It won't happen hat fast short of forced compliance. As in house to house searches and confiscation.

A gun ban, no longer selling them, won't show any dividends for probably 20 years, if that.

So what kind of ban are we talking about?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Banning guns would not eliminate guns. It's not even remotely like banning a certain brand of car. Bad analogy.
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It's not a great analogy, but it's not terrible either. The trouble is finding them pre-emptively. A car you can see someone driving around pretty easily. A gun; not so much. But start with all registered guns, then give an amnesty period for people to turn in legal/illegal guns, then tougher gun laws(yes, guns are very different than drugs), it could work.

Scat said:
This only means that there will be an equal number of fatal car crashes involving other brands of cars.
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That depends on why we're targetting Volkswagons specifically. If it's because they're poorly built, over complicated german death machines, or maybe cars that are easily hacked into disabling their brake lines, you would net a lower number of fatal car crashes.
 
King Cy said:
Well yeah, in some states you can go to gun shows.
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Have you ever been to a gun show? The people who rent booths at gun shows are gun store owners. Anyone selling guns that holds an FFL (federal firearms license) has to run a background check for every sell, even at gun shows.

Now if a non-FFL holder wanted to rent a booth and sell their personal collection of firearms they could do so without running background checks. But if this person bought/sold guns regularly, or bought brand new guns and sold brand new guns, they would be violating the law. What they are doing would be considered a straw-man purchase and is illegal.

However, I suppose a mentally deranged person, or potential domestic terrorist, could hang out at the gun show and solicit their fellow visitors to sell them some of their privately owned guns. That could happen, legally, without a background check. I invite you to go to the next gun show in your area and see if you can get any action on that play.
 
Scat said:
This only means that there will be an equal number of fatal car crashes involving other brands of cars.
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Not necessarily.
Maybe the Volkswagen cars had poor safety ratings. Maybe the brakes were faulty ect.
 
Gameface said:
Have you ever been to a gun show? The people who rent booths at gun shows are gun store owners. Anyone selling guns that holds an FFL (federal firearms license) has to run a background check for every sell, even at gun shows.

Now if a non-FFL holder wanted to rent a booth and sell their personal collection of firearms they could do so without running background checks. But if this person bought/sold guns regularly, or bought brand new guns and sold brand new guns, they would be violating the law. What they are doing would be considered a straw-man purchase and is illegal.

However, I suppose a mentally deranged person, or potential domestic terrorist, could hang out at the gun show and solicit their fellow visitors to sell them some of their privately owned guns. That could happen, legally, without a background check. I invite you to go to the next gun show in your area and see if you can get any action on that play.
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Serious question
Can I put my gun on ksl classifieds and sell it without doing a background check?
 
ElRoach0 said:
It's not a great analogy, but it's not terrible either. The trouble is finding them pre-emptively. A car you can see someone driving around pretty easily. A gun; not so much. But start with all registered guns, then give an amnesty period for people to turn in legal/illegal guns, then tougher gun laws(yes, guns are very different than drugs), it could work.



That depends on why we're targetting Volkswagons specifically. If it's because they're poorly built, over complicated german death machines, or maybe cars that are easily hacked into disabling their brake lines, you would net a lower number of fatal car crashes.
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No point in debating this because there is a zero percent chance that your proposal will happen.
 
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