Another slaying of police officers (in Baton Rouge)
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I really don't get why they're shooting black cops... that's so strange.
It's like, why steal tvs when Rodney King was beaten.. doesn't have to make sense.
These guys called 911 to lure cops to a gas station and then ambushed them. I'm sure they hoped they'd be white, but oh well.. let's just shoot us some cops.
I don't think anyone advocates ambushing random government employees. Where is their logic and specific ideology behind it all? What massive faction of people did they recruit and garner support from to shoot some police officers this weekend?
I believe the 2nd amendment to be around for the reasons you say, but it's sooo dated. All those dudes know of a revolution against an oppressive government is the one they had just experienced, which happened over 200 years ago. This isn't how they envision a sort of revolution or acting against an oppressive government imo (but can never know anyway). I think the founding fathers would consider this act to be as egregious as the general public does. Some of the more radical militia groups might agree with your point, but I'm guessing the general population condemns this behavior nearly unanimously, even if the person in question believes to be acting rationally and completely within the limits of his/her moral compass.
Although, this event is quite similar to something that preludes a revolution. Like some Boston Massacre ish or smth.
Anyway, I really believe that if this ish keeps happening, and nothing constructive is done about it again (instead of passing blame and watching the inevitable emergence of more radical groups and ideas - groups and ideas that directly combat each other), the government will flex its muscle even more. I think someday there will have to be a revolution, or we'll all just work for the state.
Clearly, some people have an issue with how the nation is progressing on this particular topic: An awful lot of black lives have been taken in a very questionable and/or egregious manner by law enforcement. Thousands have protested, numerous movements have been developed, and that was all before the most recent wave of shootings. So of course some people are going to start thinking in the manner Thriller discussed (although I doubt it involved elegant rhetoric surrounding the constitution and 2nd amendment - probably more like, "Okay, these people aren't ****ing listening to me/us and we/I need to do something more to make them listen!" (which is the exact same thinking Thriller discussed - it just omits the constitutional rationalization)) cuz for them, it doesn't seem like any of these non-violent movements have worked.
So no, I don't believe the 2nd amendment is meant to condone this particular type of behavior, but that's just my opinion of course. Interpretation may vary.
But, obviously, I agree with Thriller that it shouldn't be a surprise that anyone would think this way.
Miggs
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I always knew Warrick Dunn's mom was a cop and shot and killed while he was in high school, but I never knew it was in Baton Rouge 'til today. He had some interesting thoughts on the matter. Love that guy. From everything I know (as much as I could about some star ex-athlete), he is a great, great man.
RandyForRubio
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I'm right there with you, but let's not act like Hack was the first to politicize it. Thriller and Dala beat him to it.
It's sad we have a tragedy and people have to make some political statement about it. Too many people are dying for no good reason and people wanna talk conservatives and liberals.
RandyForRubio
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And since you assholes keep on bringing it up, I'm going to respond.
The 2nd amendment is so we can protect ourselves from the government/others. Not so anybody can senselessly attack people they don't like. If you want to pretend like most Americans, or even most conservatives think what Thriller is supposing here, go ahead, but you're a moron. But hey, keep on talking about the fringe lunatics one side has while ignoring reality.
This isn't a gun issue. It isn't about how easy/difficult it is to buy guns. How easy/difficult it is to steal guns. This is about people killing other people. Doesn't matter if they're liberals, conservatives, black, white, or Asian. They're people. People we should care about, that we should love, every single on of em. It's a heart issue. An issue of hateful rhetoric on both sides. And y'all wanna make it about the 2nd amendment? You're ********. Inconsiderate, ignorant, ********.
The 2nd amendment is so we can protect ourselves from the government/others. Not so anybody can senselessly attack people they don't like. If you want to pretend like most Americans, or even most conservatives think what Thriller is supposing here, go ahead, but you're a moron. But hey, keep on talking about the fringe lunatics one side has while ignoring reality.
This isn't a gun issue. It isn't about how easy/difficult it is to buy guns. How easy/difficult it is to steal guns. This is about people killing other people. Doesn't matter if they're liberals, conservatives, black, white, or Asian. They're people. People we should care about, that we should love, every single on of em. It's a heart issue. An issue of hateful rhetoric on both sides. And y'all wanna make it about the 2nd amendment? You're ********. Inconsiderate, ignorant, ********.
Oh bull crap. There has not been a single instance of police killing unprovoked. What there has been is cop haters an knee jerk reactions to every single black execution. Those people all acted criminally. Every single one.
You people puff out your chests an act like cops sign up for the force to become legalized murderers. Bull crap. You think people want to murder someone? Go talk to a shrink. Both about murder an about your own mental stability.
Meanwhile we hear nothing of white executions by cops. This is purely political an the liberals are doing nothing but giving Donald Trump more ammo.
Do you know how far the France murderer drove over people? Take away guns you get trucks, bombs, poisonings. Much more affective methods but less glorified in minds of the crazies.
The liberals are well intended but there policies will create more terrorist deaths not less.
Thought experiment:
Right now we have retaliation against cops in general - where you have some idiots employ some eye for an eye justice randomly against cops.
I mean in the essence you have complaints how African Americans feel discriminated as a result of unjust stereotyping employed by the police.
The reaction is the same as all cops are potentially corrupt/racist just like all human beings with dark skin color are generally suspicious/dangerous to racist officers.
What if instead of this behavior these ppl were capable of collecting evidence against a (group of) specific officer(s).
If they published incriminating material paired with assassination, showcasing how boundaries were overstepped, reckless behavior employed and the whole thing swept under the rug with help of a judge and/or sloppy internal investigations.
How different would the discussion be in such a case if the deceased officer(s) would be publicly discussed for abuse of power in the wake of death?
You could have a more complex situation where the accused party could be right and wrong at the same time in the public eye.
Right now we have retaliation against cops in general - where you have some idiots employ some eye for an eye justice randomly against cops.
I mean in the essence you have complaints how African Americans feel discriminated as a result of unjust stereotyping employed by the police.
The reaction is the same as all cops are potentially corrupt/racist just like all human beings with dark skin color are generally suspicious/dangerous to racist officers.
What if instead of this behavior these ppl were capable of collecting evidence against a (group of) specific officer(s).
If they published incriminating material paired with assassination, showcasing how boundaries were overstepped, reckless behavior employed and the whole thing swept under the rug with help of a judge and/or sloppy internal investigations.
How different would the discussion be in such a case if the deceased officer(s) would be publicly discussed for abuse of power in the wake of death?
You could have a more complex situation where the accused party could be right and wrong at the same time in the public eye.
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They can not cause it does not exist. They could prove stereotyping potentially. I believe that. They can not prove Police kill blacks unjustly cause it has not happened in any of these national tragedies.
Look at this one. The cop is pleading with the guy to stop going for his gun. How do you think that cop felt having to pull the trigger? Nobody asks that question. I bet he was an still is devastated. Nobody wants to take a life. I feel for this poor man I cannot imagine what he is going through mentally. Probably awake at night with tremors, crying watching the liberal news drag his name through the dirt, seeing innocent officers murdered cause he justifiably executed a criminal gun toter for grabbing for it...
I pray for this man an his family.