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Game Thread Apr 08, 2022 07:30PM MT: Jazz vs. Suns

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UtahJazz32 said:
I hope we could have capitalized on some easy free throws, but it wouldn't have mattered Phoenix was just playing with us. Bojan missed some shots down the stretch too
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It wasn’t even hard for them… it was light work.
 
This late in the game Donovan's iso **** is so frustrating to watch. Why not let Mike initiate some possessions? Why do we suddenly stop using Rudy's screens? How can Donovan be efficient in clutch when everybody knows what to expect and he ends up taking a lay up over 2 defenders or turns it over? How the coach who is supposedly some analytical ”beautiful mind" can't see it? Does he think that it's beneficial for Donovan to learn something from this? You don't learn by repeating the same mistakes over and over.. Aaargh..!
 
Jazzmix said:
This late in the game Donovan's iso **** is so frustrating to watch. Why not let Mike initiate some possessions? Why do we suddenly stop using Rudy's screens? How can Donovan be efficient in clutch when everybody knows what to expect and he ends up taking a lay up over 2 defenders or turns it over? How the coach who is supposedly some analytical ”beautiful mind" can't see it? Does he think that it's beneficial for Donovan to learn something from this? You don't learn by repeating the same mistakes over and over.. Aaargh..!
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I could live with iso ball in the last day 99 seconds of a game… most teams get there… it’s with 8-9 minutes left we start doing it. That’s how leads disappear so fast… we start acting like it’s the last possession well before we should.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I could live with iso ball in the last day 99 seconds of a game… most teams get there… it’s with 8-9 minutes left we start doing it. That’s how leads disappear so fast… we start acting like it’s the last possession well before we should.
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Yeah by late in a game I meant last half of a quarter..
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This is similar to a thought I had… I have a saying I throw out to describe people “Quin is the dumbest smart person”. I use it when undeniable smart people do dumb things they’ve done before.

Your example reminded me of my father in law. He’s made and lost more money in real estate development than I’ll make in like 10 lifetimes. I run my business in the same suite he runs his… and part of my job is stopping him from doing the obviously dumb thing he shouldn’t do that has caused him to go broke. He is smart enough to put together these deals that make millions but then he will talk about funding the next deal himself because investors aren’t sure about it… the next step is a personal guarantee on a loan… then the deal or market go south and one deal screws everything up. He’s done real well last few years and will never have to do another deal the rest of his life if he follows the rules I’ve laid out for him. His twi main investors are flush with cash… so he never needs to put a dime into the deal… they will also sign on the loans they need… but he doesn’t make as much in those deals and they aren’t always as sexy… plus they will turn down certain deals. Pretty simple rules I’ve given him. No deals without 100% investment from those two investors. Yet… weekly I have to talk with him to remind him “we don’t do it that way anymore… you are too old to risk that… I know it’s seems like it can’t fail but the market tanked before and you can lose everything.” I **** you not weekly I get his secretary or manager in my office asking me to talk with him. He’s smart enough to make millions but not smart enough to stop himself from making the mistakes that literally left him broke 3-4 times in his life.

Anyway… this is Quin and Don and the organization… no one to pull them out of denial and speak truth and remind them “hey we’ve done this **** up before… let’s not do it again”. They are super smart and talented but also dumb AF.
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I think that's was Ingles job. We sent him away. Be careful or your family will trade you away for a janitor and gardener.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I could live with iso ball in the last day 99 seconds of a game… most teams get there… it’s with 8-9 minutes left we start doing it. That’s how leads disappear so fast… we start acting like it’s the last possession well before we should.
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Maybe we need someone to hack in and change the quarter signifier on the scoreboard to the 3rd quarter during the break so they think they are still playing in the 3rd quarter even though it's the 4th.
 
So a few things:

1. I was at the game and it was one of the most boring games I’ve attended. There were a few moments where the crowd got excited. House’s steal and layup. Clarkson’s end of the 3rd 3. And Rudy blocked someone hard. But overall, this team just doesn’t provide enough entertainment to get the crowd into the game. Which defeats one of our advantages, the crowd noise. It’s just boring basketball.
2. We don’t generate enough fast break points. Everything comes out of the half court. I think the problem is both physical and philosophical. Other than House, we don’t have athletes who can get steals and finish. Might be a different story had we drafted Bane and Herb Jones…
3. Whiteside was our wading scorer at the half, with 9 pts. And he finished with 11 I believe. That tells you a lot about our offense.
4. Everything was high pick and roll in that 4th quarter. Everything was a perimeter shot usually contested and near the end of the shot clock. We just don’t have any shot creators, especially 3-5 (that’s why prime Jingles was so important). We rely too much on our 3 undersized guards and it just doesn’t work in the crunch.
5. Phx scored however and whenever they wanted. This would be a sweep in the playoffs. It looked like we were deploying that weird Harden defense where our defenders trailed to force them into midrange/floaters. Which is weird cuz that’s like shooting fish in a barrel for Booker/Paul.
 
The Thriller said:
So a few things:

1. I was at the game and it was one of the most boring games I’ve attended. There were a few moments where the crowd got excited. House’s steal and layup. Clarkson’s end of the 3rd 3. And Rudy blocked someone hard. But overall, this team just doesn’t provide enough entertainment to get the crowd into the game. Which defeats one of our advantages, the crowd noise. It’s just boring basketball.
2. We don’t generate enough fast break points. Everything comes out of the half court. I think the problem is both physical and philosophical. Other than House, we don’t have athletes who can get steals and finish. Might be a different story had we drafted Bane and Herb Jones…
3. Whiteside was our wading scorer at the half, with 9 pts. And he finished with 11 I believe. That tells you a lot about our offense.
4. Everything was high pick and roll in that 4th quarter. Everything was a perimeter shot usually contested and near the end of the shot clock. We just don’t have any shot creators, especially 3-5 (that’s why prime Jingles was so important). We rely too much on our 3 undersized guards and it just doesn’t work in the crunch.
5. Phx scored however and whenever they wanted. This would be a sweep in the playoffs. It looked like we were deploying that weird Harden defense where our defenders trailed to force them into midrange/floaters. Which is weird cuz that’s like shooting fish in a barrel for Booker/Paul.
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Dry spells like the 4th quarter make it seem all the more urgent for Quin to have an alternative offensive scheme or schemes. Heck the old Weber State offense that Sloan employed would create situations that would burn teams no matter what defensive set they were in.
 
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