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Are the sanctions that Penn State is receiving enough?

Cyrone Torbin said:
NCAA sanctions Penn St for $60 million (one year gross revenue for Penn St Football)
4-year Postseason Ban
Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period (confirmed)
Vacate all wins from 1998 - 2011
All players may transfer to another school without sitting out a year
Players allowed to quit the team and keep their scholarship at Penn St
Penn St must add new compliance positions at the school
Probation for 5 years


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I would have gone...

NCAA sanctions Penn St for $120 million (two year gross revenue for Penn St Football)
6-year Postseason Ban
Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a six-year period (confirmed)
Vacate all wins from 1998 - 2011
All players may transfer to another school without sitting out a year
Players allowed to quit the team and keep their scholarship at Penn St
Penn St must add new compliance positions at the school
Probation for 8 years
 
Although I love that Joe Pederast-Enabler's statue is getting torn down. No amount nor quality of wins makes up for even one instance of child rape, or the protection thereof.
 
I'm guessing death probably sucks.

But I wonder if seeing your legacy go into the crapper would be worse?

What would Joe Pa be feeling right now seeing his statue taken down, wins eliminated, and Football program essentially killed?
 
jazzman12 said:
If this were a conversation about who got the "worst" punishment, your post would be dead on. However, we're talking about a punishment on kids who had absolutely nothing to do with the crime itself.
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You're also talking about kids who, up until now, have been reaping the benefits of the football culture that played into the infractions, and saying that, at worst, they'll be brought down to the level of other students at Penn State. It's not a winning argument.
 
I would have preferred to see a six year postseason ban. Of course all the current players have the option to transfer. After that, everyone coming in knows exactly what the situation is before they sign there.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
Not fair at all. Again the NCAA completely misses the mark.
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Out of curiosity, what is the mark in this case? The worst part about this case and your more typical NCAA violations is that the ones punished commonly aren't the ones who committed the violations. Does that mean the NCAA shouldn't do anything?
 
nightmare3983 said:
Out of curiosity, what is the mark in this case? The worst part about this case and your more typical NCAA violations is that the ones punished commonly aren't the ones who committed the violations. Does that mean the NCAA shouldn't do anything?
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JoePa & Sandusky got what they deserved. Penn St should be required to fire anyone who had anything to do with the coverup, and the aforementioned be prosecuted if applicable. Ban any of the coaches or admins who were involved from ever working inside the NCAA again.

Putting postseason bans, reduction of scholarships on players, fans, & a community who were completely innocent isn't right in my opinion. The only part I agree with is the fine. This is the only part of it that actually goes to help the victims and/or punishes the guilty.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
JoePa & Sandusky got what they deserved. Penn St should be required to fire anyone who had anything to do with the coverup, and the aforementioned be prosecuted if applicable. Ban any of the coaches or admins who were involved from ever working inside the NCAA again.

Putting postseason bans, reduction of scholarships on players, fans, & a community who were completely innocent isn't right in my opinion. The only part I agree with is the fine. This is the only part of it that actually goes to help the victims and/or punishes the guilty.
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Fair enough. Well put.
 
I am sick of all the alumns(sp?) talking about the importance of Penn State's reputation and their long history of excellence and blah. That **** isn't important right now and I'm sick of hearing about it and hearing people stand up for JoePa. Eventually, I think there will be some healing of Penn State's and Joepa's reputation. But the time to worry about it isn't now. In fact, I think that is just something you don't worry about because it will happen over time at it's own pace.
 
too bad there's not an NCAA equivalent that oversees the Catholic church



also, because I have not yet read the Freeh report (if it's available, I don't know but I assume it is) - I'm not sure how much of the cover-up to blame on "protecting the program" and how much to blame on simple denial that someone they thought they knew so well was actually as disturbed as he turned out to be. To me, there's a bit of a difference, at least when the initial reports first surfaced.



edit: here's the link to an earlier Penn State topic (but not the original one) https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?11439-Penn-State
 
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Absent eliminating all "charity" tax distortions, I'd opt for cutting out non-profit charity status for any organization involved with commercial enterprises that serve no great social service.
Colleges with football coaches making 5 million (+/-) a year would be high on the list, although if it were up to me it the changes would be a lot broader than that.

signed - an American.
 
for anyone interested, here's a link to a summary/highlights of the Freeh Report - it includes a link to the full report
https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_state_freeh_report_highli.html

-- The board should have started an internal review in 2011, when it became public there was an investigation. The report makes no mention of Erickson's defense of not knowing that Penn State was involved in the Sandusky investigation.

-- Before 1998, several staff members witnessed Sandusky showering with boys, but never reported it.

-- Rodney Erickson, now the president, had been uncomfortable in 1999 with Sandusky being granted "emeritus" rank of Sandusky's low academic title, but did it anyway at Spanier's request.

-- Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley " repeatedly concealed critical facts, relating to Sandusky's child abuse, from the authorities, the board of trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large," to avoid bad publicity, Freeh said.

-- Curley, Schultz and Spanier were prepared to report the 2001 incident to authorities, but that changed after a conversation Curley had with Paterno. It's not known what was said.
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this definitely makes Paterno look really bad, no matter what the reason he was advocating so strongly on behalf of Sandusky...
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
JoePa & Sandusky got what they deserved. Penn St should be required to fire anyone who had anything to do with the coverup, and the aforementioned be prosecuted if applicable. Ban any of the coaches or admins who were involved from ever working inside the NCAA again.

Putting postseason bans, reduction of scholarships on players, fans, & a community who were completely innocent isn't right in my opinion. The only part I agree with is the fine. This is the only part of it that actually goes to help the victims and/or punishes the guilty.
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So you are okay punishing the school and the completely innocent students. But you are not okay punishing the football program and those associated with it, that at it's core is the main reason this incident was allowed to continue and the coverup happened.
 
The public wants to see a humble PSU and they're not getting it. Yes, I get that it's like 4 people out of the 150 years of PSU that are really the bad guys. So ****ing what. Suck it up and shelve your pride for a few months or years while this blows over.
 
gregbroncs said:
So you are okay punishing the school and the completely innocent students. But you are not okay punishing the football program and those associated with it, that at it's core is the main reason this incident was allowed to continue and the coverup happened.
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I supported the fine of 60M. Which is the football program's annual income. This punishes both football program and the school.
 
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