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Awesome article on how great the PAC 10 is, and Utah makes it better

Stern:
Did somebody not love you enough when you were a child?
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Thanks for making this personal and opening up old wounds for me. I never knew my mother and my father was killed in Vietnam. Not in the war though. In '86 he was over there picking up a mail-order bride (so I could finally have a mother in my life) and he was attacked and killed by a rogue Panda. To this day I can't bring myself to eat at Panda Express. It scares the **** outta me.

Heaven forbid I read through 4 posts on this thread, and make a comment that Ute fans couldn't leave BYU out of it.
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Heaven forbid you actually admit that is was your douche-bag BYU brother who came into a Ute thread and began his patented idiotic attempt at smack-talk. And heaven forbid that you either forgot to read, or simply ignored the following 20+ posts in which NOBODY else had anything to say about BYU's move to independence.

Then, you and salty decide to bitch about it.
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Funny how you complain about me and Salty bitching when it was you that came in and started the bitching.

You guys wonder why some BYU fans like myself hate Ute fans that can't ever admit they're wrong.
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I don't wonder at all. I'd hate me too. Your team is in the process of going down the ******* and it looks like they'll be there for a while. While on the flip side, everything is trending in Utah's favor.


Btw, I think Utah could end up being very successful in the Pac-12, but nobody really knows yet. Just like this season, nobody knows how good Utah football is going to be.
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If you paid half attention to any Ute related threads you'd know that this is the EXACT thing I'm trying to get across to my fellow Ute fan. But I wouldn't expect you to look for those posts because it doesn't fit your agenda of being a dick.
 
jazzman12 said:
Stern:


Thanks for making this personal and opening up old wounds for me. I never knew my mother and my father was killed in Vietnam. Not in the war though. In '86 he was over there picking up a mail-order bride (so I could finally have a mother in my life) and he was attacked and killed by a rogue Panda. To this day I can't bring myself to eat at Panda Express. It scares the **** outta me.



Heaven forbid you actually admit that is was your douche-bag BYU brother who came into a Ute thread and began his patented idiotic attempt at smack-talk. And heaven forbid that you either forgot to read, or simply ignored the following 20+ posts in which NOBODY else had anything to say about BYU's move to independence.



Funny how you complain about me and Salty bitching when it was you that came in and started the bitching.



I don't wonder at all. I'd hate me too. Your team is in the process of going down the ******* and it looks like they'll be there for a while. While on the flip side, everything is trending in Utah's favor.




If you paid half attention to any Ute related threads you'd know that this is the EXACT thing I'm trying to get across to my fellow Ute fan. But I wouldn't expect you to look for those posts because it doesn't fit your agenda of being a dick.
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I'm just gonna let it die now, there's no point in arguing with two people who can't see a different view on a subject.
 
David Stern said:
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I'm just gonna let it die now, there's no point in arguing with two people who can't see a different view on a subject.
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Translation: I was owned so I'm just gonna put my fingers in my ears and say "la la la la la, I can't hear you" while running away.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Translation: I was owned so I'm just gonna put my fingers in my ears and say "la la la la la, I can't hear you" while running away.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night man.

Back to the original point of the thread, yes, Utah helps the Pac-10 out quite a bit. They need somebody to step in and take SC's spot, and that team is going to be Zona, Oregon, Utah, or Stanford. But to say that Utah will automatically step into that role immediately is very premature.
 
CONAN said:
Do you have something showing Utah was #1 on the list?
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Yep, as a matter of fact, I do...
https://www.fanblogs.com/utah/008322.php

Note the date on that is well before Texas was a consideration.

And there is plenty out there even older than that saying Utah and Colorado are heading to the Pac 10.

Do you have something from earlier than that that implies Utah is not the first choice? Of course you don't.

And here is Larry Scott himself saying Colorado and Utah was the original plan:
https://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/06/17/new-pac-10-was-scotts-initial-plan/

"When I first was asked the question at football media day last July about expansion, I said 'Yes, we're going to look at it' and all of our initial ideas were to go to 12," Scott said. "And Colorado and Utah were the schools that everyone thought were going to make sense ... so this is really where we thought we would be all along."

Nice try though.
 
Do you really expect Scott to say anything else? Are you really that clueless? Wait don't answer that. From the article you posted we read: "Scott admitted there was some disappointment over his failure to bring Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State into the fold. Scott swung for the fences."

So if Utah and Colorado were the original plan, why the dissappointment?

More from your article: "when Utah accepted the final invitation to be handed out."

If Utah was the first choice, why were they the last invited?

Here's an article from SI that specifically talks about Hill and Whit being ok with no being Pac10's #1 choice.https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/18/utah-pac-10/index.html

So as a matter of fact you have jack crap for proof except for homerist speculation. Your own AD and head coach admitted to being fine with not being the first choice.

Here's another one: https://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/06/16/pac-10-expansion-and-utah-makes-12/

"when Texas picked the Big 12 over the Pac-10 and the superconference plan crumbled, it has been a foregone conclusion that the Pac-10 would revert to Plan B and invite Utah as its 12th (and final) team."
 
Who gives a **** if they were first or last? Getting an invitation is better than not getting one.
 
Scarlett Johansson and Brad Pitt were planning on going on a date but it fell through. The next day, Scarlett asked me on a date. I accepted, and we have been an item ever since.

I really like her but I have to admit it is tough to hear all the ridicule about being her second choice after Brad Pitt.
 
CONAN said:
Do you really expect Scott to say anything else? Are you really that clueless? Wait don't answer that. From the article you posted we read: "Scott admitted there was some disappointment over his failure to bring Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State into the fold. Scott swung for the fences."

So if Utah and Colorado were the original plan, why the dissappointment?

More from your article: "when Utah accepted the final invitation to be handed out."

If Utah was the first choice, why were they the last invited?

Here's an article from SI that specifically talks about Hill and Whit being ok with no being Pac10's #1 choice.https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/18/utah-pac-10/index.html

So as a matter of fact you have jack crap for proof except for homerist speculation. Your own AD and head coach admitted to being fine with not being the first choice.

Here's another one: https://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/06/16/pac-10-expansion-and-utah-makes-12/

"when Texas picked the Big 12 over the Pac-10 and the superconference plan crumbled, it has been a foregone conclusion that the Pac-10 would revert to Plan B and invite Utah as its 12th (and final) team."
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I know the Pac 10 wanted Texas. I never disputed that. The point is they wanted Utah FIRST, in their ORIGINAL plan. And I posted a link from February saying Utah and Colorado would be invited to the Pac 10. Again, that is from February- several months BEFORE Texas came into the mix.

So yes, Utah was the original plan, the first plan. Something else came up along the way, and I am not denying that. But Utah was still the first team the Pac 10 thought of when they decided to expand. I posted the Pac 10 commish saying as much, and I also posted links from February claiming as much. You posted a bunch of after the fact speculation.

Nice try. Should we now go into BYU trying desperately to get into the Big 12 and getting rejected?

Say my dream is to someday be a doctor, and I start going to med school and totally plan on becoming a doctor. I then buy a lottery ticket right before I graduate. I miss winning the jackpot by 1 number. That doesn't mean it was plan B when I become a successful doctor. Yeah, the lottery would have been nice, but I am still where I planned on being all along.
 
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