Backup PG?

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  1. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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  2. default

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    Scottie Reynolds from Villanova in the 2nd round? Low risk, potential reward?
     
  3. NUMBERICA

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    Scottie Reynolds is a chucker that isn't an especially good shooter or especially good playmaker in general. He also isn't particularly quick and brings nothing to the table that Deron doesn't bring in spades. He plays hard but that's about it. I doubt he ever sees NBA minutes.

    Also, re: 'Randle ranked 2nd', that's only on DraftExpress (which I'm obviously a junkie of), but in their mock draft they have Randle being drafted 53rd (basing much of that info on apparent interest teams have expressed and/or team needs). NBADraft.net doesn't even have him drafted (even though I think that site is hackville for the most part).

    Regardless, I think Randle is going to be in a range where he'd be available (either in the 2nd, as an undrafted FA, or drafted late enough that the Jazz can trade up a few slots for his rights or just buy them outright for less-than-crazy money).

    The Jazz desperately need someone else that is a scorer off the dribble, a lights out shooter, and a guy that can make plays for others. The fact that Randle also gives the Jazz an element in speed they simpy do not currently have makes it a homerun. The size and general lack of hops sucks, but I think those factors are quite low as matters of importance for the PG position.
     
  4. honz

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    Thorpe brought up the idea of drafting Avery Bradley at #9. He said he would be able to play alongside Deron. Does anyone know what kind of shooter Bradley is? Does he have NBA 3 point range? I know he is a great defender, but I don't know much about his offensive game.
     
  5. AlaskanAssassin

    AlaskanAssassin Well-Known Member

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    Having a better back-up point guard is very low on the priority list for this off-season. As far as backups go, Price is probably average. If we can accept the fact that he is only going to play 10 minutes a night, he is a backup, and he is cheap, we shouldn't be dissapointed in how he has been playing.

    Defensive center, players who can create their own shot, and defensive wing players are much higher on the priority list.
     
  6. NUMBERICA

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    Ick. I think he's a good shooter (I'm not in a great position to check right now) but at #9, I don't want the Jazz burning their pick on unathletic T-Rex arms from a mid-major or an undersized SG. I'd MUCH rather have Aldrich or Udoh.

    If the Jazz do what they normally do (nothing until they're forced to), just have Gaines take the reigns (see what I did there? Lololol). I cannot watch Price blow like nothing else in the NBA for 4 out of every 5 games.
     
  7. NAOS

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    I'd say adding a playmaker at any position is big priority for the Jazz this offseason. If they can draft a guy like this in the 2nd round, even if he is a PG, I think the Jazz can find 15 minutes a night for him even if that means he and DW share the floor for 5 minutes a game. The same system came into effect when Maynor started to get hot last year. If this guy is available he seems worth a very good look.

    The Jazz are going to get their big, and they have made improvements in wing defense with the rise of Matthews... That said, I just don't see how your comment has much value if we are talking about a potential late-second round pick.
     
  8. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    We're talking about 15 minutes at most that are like a gutshot with most other backups for the last 20 years.

    Let's also remember that neither Price nor Gaines were even drafted. And for good reason.
     
  9. Rimcheck

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    This :)
     
  10. default

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    Of course there are other options and some may be better, but comparing a player that could be had for a minimum salary contract off a throw away late 2nd round pick rookie to the skillset of arguably the best point guard in the NBA who makes over 20 times the minimum salary is a weak statement. The real measuring stick is not to Deron, but rather to Gaines, Price(more than double minimum salary), other potential late 2nd round PGs, or very cheap free agents.
     
  11. NUMBERICA

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    So because Reynolds is debatably worse than Price or Gaines, the Jazz should burn their 2nd round pick and additional salary for a 4th string PG? What?

    This draft is very thin at PG and the Jazz have two under contract. If the Jazz can't find something this offseason that's clearly better than what they already have, they won't and shouldn't do anything. Scottie Reynolds is not that guy.
     
  12. default

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    At least you use a comparison to Price and Gaines to state a point even though I disagree that those 2 are better. That is legit, but comparing to Deron is not a legit argument. Thanks
     
  13. afrojazz

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    Price can't run the pick and roll worth a damn. He plays some scrappy defense from time-to-time that keeps him in Sloan's favor. But he is not a good enough playmaker and shooter to keep out there for long stretches. He would make an ok number three--someone who can come in, on rare occasion, and shake things up.

    But I think we are making a bit too much of the backup PG issue. This was a bigger problem when Stock was in his later years. Jerry really tried to keep him fresh and limited his minutes in a near formulaic fashion. We needed a backup PG along the lines of Howard Eisley. We don't necessarily need that now. Deron averaged 36.9mpg last season and 39.8mpg in the playoffs. That's on par with Stockton at his prime. I would have a hard time remembering Stock's backup from 88-94. I recall Jay Humphries for a few seasons when they acquired him and Kristko for Blue Edwards. Can't think of anyone else of the top of my head.

    Eric Maynor will have a non-memorable NBA career. As will Ronnie Price and Sundiata "One Shot" Gaines. I say keep Price and Gaines in the mix and draft another one in the second round (do the Jazz have a 2nd round pick this year?) or bring one in as a FA to amp up the competition. I really think the backup PG slot will be fine with Gaines as the #2 next season and Price as the #3. Gaines will have a full summer league, camp, and preseason with the team to get better at understanding and running the offense. I think we'll see Gaines move ahead of Price next season. And I think he'll be adequate.

    We need to strengthen our frontline. That's our need. Koufas is completely unusable. Fes, at his best, is just-barely-almost-nearly adequate. Expectations for Fes and Koufas are so low that if they don't wet themselves out there and grab a rebound or alter a shot Jazzfanz suddenly get aroused. Face it, those two are terrible. Any money/effort/roster spot/etc shouldn't be wasted on a backup PG. It needs to go towards strengthening the front line.
     
  14. AlaskanAssassin

    AlaskanAssassin Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how the Jazz are going to find a quality player in the second round that would warrant immediately playing 15mpg. I would rather swing for the fences on another big or a quality wing player than pick up a point guard that will be in the D-League or at best playing 5-10 minutes per night.

    Can you think of a PG taken in the second round of the past 5 years that is substantially better than Price or Gaines? Only one came to my head without looking (Monta Ellis, more of a SG). The only other three that could be considered an upgrade would be Ramon Sessions, Goran Dragic (more of a SG), and Mario Chalmers. That's 4 in the past 5 years. We are not going to find anyone better than Price or Gaines in the second round. Let's stop dreaming. Quality point guards don't last until the second round. Trying to find one will end up in a wasted draft pick. (Dee Brown anyone?)

    Just last year multiple quality players were drafted in the second round at other positions.

    DeJuan Blair, Chase Buddinger, Sam Young, Jonas Jerebko, Marcus Thornton.

    Let's not waste a pick on a PG in round 2!
     
  15. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Assanine post. Instead of doing any research on anything relevant, you just pull a bunch of non-corallary, arbitrary garbage.

    Also, A.J. Price. Howard Eisley. PGs are the most abundant players to pick through because of size. And that's why Randle will go at the mid-2nd at absolute best.

    The only argument for drafting someone else ahead of Randle at 55 in my mind is an international prospect that can be stashed and has a ceiling (Bjelica is a perfect example).
     
  16. AlaskanAssassin

    AlaskanAssassin Well-Known Member

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    Just the fact that tried to use a word like asinine, and failed to spell it correctly, makes your post unworthy of a response.
     
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  17. Darkwing Duck

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    +1 rep. Good for you.

    EDIT: Though I do need to give Numberica some credit. He used a word I had no knowledge of, which is rare for me to see on message boards, despite the spelling being wrong.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corollary
     
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  18. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Whoops. Everything I've said has been devalued then.
     

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