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In regards to the original post...I tend to agree. I was texting with utjazz last night and I feel disconnected to this team. There is not one player on the team that I feel an allegiance to in any way...Devin Harris, while talented, feels like a player from another team playing for the Jazz...if that makes any sense.
 
I tend to agree. If LHM were still alive, Jerry and Deron would still be here.

Is that what we'd want though? Another handful of years from Jerry and Deron on the way out? Or do you think LHM could've improved our chances of keeping DW?
 
LHM once said with the laugh when Clippers drafted someone talented in top 5 (not sure who it was), here is a guy who whill be available in 4 years. Well, here you are Larry, now the same can be said about the Jazz. We drafted a star who led us to play-offs 4 straight years, including 2 WCSF apeparances and 1 WCF. 5 years later, he was available. Don't forget that before Deron got to Utah, we had a pathetic season. The season before was 500 season and no play-offs. Only after DWill's rookie year (where he was benched), did we become play-off team again. Now, it's going to be rebuilding all over again, and who knows wheh (if ever) will we get a superstar like Deron to lead us to even play-offs wins, not to mention WCF finals. I just don't see us being better positioned at this point than any team in the West. Even teams on the bottom of the West now have building blocks that are better than ours. I mean we don't have players today that are of caliber of the players in most pathetic teams in the League, such as Blake Griffin, Gordon, Kevin Love, Evans, Ellis. And these are just the worst teams in teh West now. We are in even worse shape than most of them. With DWill, we had a building block who was superior to any one of the pieces above. Now we have inferior blocks than the worst West has to offer. But we have a certainty (of the medocrity) that we got in trading an outstanding building block, as Greg Miller likes to spin it. What a disaster for this franchise.
 
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"Just to be clear, this is not my father's Jazz."

Doesn't Greggy Boy look like a character from Shakespeare with that neat little goutee?
 
The most frustrating thing is that we really were not that far from contending just last summer. Granted we got our behinds handed over to us by LA again, but LA and SA are the teams that will fade in a couple of years due to age, while our best players were going to reach their peak, be in their prime, and by that time would have had time to gel. Plus we were hoping to get something decent out of NY pick, AK’s contract was finally about to expire in a year. Things were looking up. And KOC screwed it up.
Letting Wes go, when KOC had a chance to match him turned out to be a huge mistake. Granted I agree, Wes was not going to take us to the title this year. But having 17 ppg SG in just his second year, who plays best defense on the team certainly would have been a HUGE upgrade over what we have now AND for the future. This is just his second year. He is likely to improve these numbers even more. Not be a star perhaps, but another solid young block to compliment Deron, AJ, and Millsap. 2 years from now a line up of Deron, Wes, Hayward, Millsap, and AJ could potentially be good enough to contend with LA and SA inevitable decline. Or perhaps we could have packaged Millsap and Hayward for a bigger/better PF next year. We could have used Okur’s expiring contract next year as well.
Instead KOC did not match Wes, traded away Deron, and we are not better than any other crappy team in the West. It’s just unfortunate and extremely painful to watch us descend from being a few pieces away from contending for years to come to perennial lottery. Really tough to swallow. From last summer’s realistic expectations of contention in a couple of years, we are going to spend the rest of decade evaluating young talent that we will be hoping to get in lottery. What a pathetic disgrace.
 
The point of the opening post seems to be missed by many.

It's not just an issue of the move made yesterday, but rather how the Jazz got to that point at all. And that's by mishandling or interpreting every major issue surrounding the team, the franchise and its future, going back to July.

Letting Boozer go was a big mistake. Likewise, Korver and Wes. The fact that they showed no interest in re-signing any of them is a pointer towards mismanagement that is near-negligent.

From there, they then expected too much from too little; the idea that the Jazz were supposed to contend with all these new players, a lack of post-facilitation or outside shooting, is laughable.

And it's not just the fact that these issues became manifest, but that nothing was done to fix any of them.

I also think that there's a sense of Miller being a hypocritical egomaniac that expects 'good soldier'-like mottos and loyalty while never showing anything of the sort toward his major employees. Going back to Boozer, you can see evidence of emotion clouding judgment; management was angry at Boozer, and never moved beyond that anger. Not only trying to convince the fans, but also themselves, that he was overpaid and irrelevant; that Paul Millsap could fill his role.

At the time, I found it hard to believe that they believed it. But perhaps I gave them too much credit.

Even worse, was whatever the hell went down with Sloan. Yeah, it was likely a big issue with Deron but, more than that, it was management again becoming involved in the worst way. They didn't support Sloan, which led to his leaving, only to then turn on the team's franchise player in less than two weeks?

Really.

Miller can talk about Deron not committing all he wants, but what commitment has he shown to winning, now or in the future?

Just look at the last 3-4 trades this team has made. None of them have been moves to make the team better. And with the team floundering, particularly on shooting, was there any type of move to make a mid-season pickup? You know, similar to what the Mavs or any other *serious* management group does to help propel their team forward?

No. There's a lot of empty PR to, first, stay the course, only to schizophrenically blow the entire team up within weeks when staying the course doesn't lead to an immediate turnaround or at least bankable mediocrity.

For all that complain about Deron -- and I'm one that had *major* problems with him after what went on with Sloan -- this team is still being controlled by an owner. The problem is, that owner cares less far less about winning than the two cornerstones that have been shipped out in the last couple of weeks.

It's amazing, really, how quick and aggressive the Jazz were to ship Williams out. As contrasted to improving the team -- making a major move with, say, Kirilenko's contract years ago -- when they were a piece or two away from real contention. When they had cornerstones that could lead to deep playoff runs.

No, see, then they just sat. And waited, year after year, to see what the Jazz 'had' when 'healthy' or whatever agitprop.

So, evidently, it was easier for Greg Miller to ship Williams out, let Sloan walk, and give the entire fanbase the finger than to make a move on a player like Stojakovic; after all, another signing would just add to payroll.

Better to blow it up than pay even a million more. This is the type of thinking that will kill the franchise.

And it's basically Greg Miller's argument when he says that the organization and Williams were after different things.
 
And, as addendum: just remember, they made this move with Williams right in front of a major shakeup in the CBA, with Williams still having a year on his contract.

****ing brilliant.
 
The most frustrating thing is that we really were not that far from contending just last summer. Granted we got our behinds handed over to us by LA again, but LA and SA are the teams that will fade in a couple of years due to age, while our best players were going to reach their peak, be in their prime, and by that time would have had time to gel. Plus we were hoping to get something decent out of NY pick, AK’s contract was finally about to expire in a year. Things were looking up. And KOC screwed it up.
Letting Wes go, when KOC had a chance to match him turned out to be a huge mistake. Granted I agree, Wes was not going to take us to the title this year. But having 17 ppg SG in just his second year, who plays best defense on the team certainly would have been a HUGE upgrade over what we have now AND for the future. This is just his second year. He is likely to improve these numbers even more. Not be a star perhaps, but another solid young block to compliment Deron, AJ, and Millsap. 2 years from now a line up of Deron, Wes, Hayward, Millsap, and AJ could potentially be good enough to contend with LA and SA inevitable decline. Or perhaps we could have packaged Millsap and Hayward for a bigger/better PF next year. We could have used Okur’s expiring contract next year as well.
Instead KOC did not match Wes, traded away Deron, and we are not better than any other crappy team in the West. It’s just unfortunate and extremely painful to watch us descend from being a few pieces away from contending for years to come to perennial lottery. Really tough to swallow. From last summer’s realistic expectations of contention in a couple of years, we are going to spend the rest of decade evaluating young talent that we will be hoping to get in lottery. What a pathetic disgrace.

Couldn't agree more. :mad:
 
And they have been for 10 years, should be nothing new to us. Lots of shake up, lots of new players, same old story. I was hoping for a change, but I didn't want them to blow the team up and go back to 2004 all over again. I am along for the ride wherever it may go, but I still wish it hadn't gone this route. Sigh.

Way to over react this isn't 2004 with a scrub pg and Ak as are best offensive player. Harris is a good player Favors could turn out to be a stud, don't forget Big Al, Paul Millsap,Cj Miles, Gordon Heyward, and 2 or 3 lottery picks over this year and next. It's not like there is no talent on this team like in 04. We have lots of players to build around, in two years we will be contenders again.
 
As much as it stings right now to know that we lost our franchise player, we got a lot back in return. I personally believe if we would have waited until next year, we would have gotten more offers, but none as good as this one. I like this deal a LOT more than what Denver got.

Right now it may be hard to feel a connection to this Jazz team, but given time, things will feel better. Harris is a quality point guard. We have Favors, the best big man prospect in the game. I'm very excited to follow him and watch him develop. We have 2 picks that have a chance to be good, or atleast be used as trade chips for another piece.

What we had was not working. Everyone was complaining about us NOT making moves and how this team was sooo predictable and a second round exit at best. People were asking for change to bring some excitement to this team. Now we have it. I think if anything, this trade shows that we are NOT satisfied with the status quo and a first round exit every year. Resigning Boozer would have been a HUGE mistake. Letting Matthews go was a mistake on our part, but who could have known he would turn into such a good player this year? Seriously though, if we would have kept Dwill, what would have been our next move to convince him to stay? Trade AK's contract? Trade Millsap? None of that would have gotten us much closer to being a contender and keeping Dwill.
 
As we were, our team was stuck in mediocrity. Everyone here realized that. Our team was boring, predictable, people were asking for change. Dwill needed another legit SUPERSTAR to win a championship. We did not have a chance to get one. By trading now, we have sped up the rebuilding process by atleast a year. Don't get me wrong, I am sad Dwill had to go and will miss him a ton. He is my favorite player and I hope he finds success. He deserves it. But overall, I think this is a move that had to be made.
 
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