Bernie Sanders

[Eminence]

That's not going to change with less spending, smaller-government approach I'm afraid. Mental health does not have a silver-bullet cure, and addressing it requires a lot of different approaches and resources both at the clinical and the community level.

There's two fronts on the problem with gun-violence:

- if you're trying to address gun violence as seen among gangs and inner-city communities, you need to address things like income inequality, American poverty, and a lack of social infrastructure supporting communities in need (along with hopefully addressing racial-dynamics)
- if you're trying to address mass-shootings, you either have to try and ramp up a multi-faceted approach to make sure there isn't an insane person left in America, or just ban items that pose a particular reckless risk to society by their mere presence alone.

-Bring on the spending, everyone is already broke already anyways. Feels like the better approach is just to say to heck with it and just focus on being better people to one another, damn the expense.

-Agree with the no silver-bullet. The community level seems impossible to directly address, but could be helped by dealing with things like inequality, healthcare in general (yes, I think it should be free), and even just improving primary education (simple stuff, teachers deserve more pay).

-From the clinical side I'm not real up on what goes on in the entry level mental health. ('Hey doc, I'm feeling kind of down'... sort of deal). But in the more serious situations the approach seems pretty outdated, and I'm no expert so I don't know the answers, but currently our solution is borderline jail.

-I agree that gang-violence is best addressed by trying to bring those communities up. Poverty/Education inequalities being the big two that I see. Drug decriminalization could also take a lot of power from these gangs.

-I'm not super familiar with the common racial dynamics in america. I grew up in an extremely diverse, but relatively small community (10k, shoutout to LazyD) so I didn't grow up with a lot of culture clash, we all got along because we had to I guess. Area wasn't large enough for each group to separate out. I have now moved on to another community of similar size but that it is completely White, and I can feel their... unease(not quite the right word) in dealing with situations involving minorities. I guess I'm just asking someone to try to summarize what the current issues are on this topic?

-Mass-shootings are an extremely difficult to deal with problem, almost uniquely american. I can't think of any direct approach to dealing with them either, they make me sad

-I like lists, and thanks for the discussion

 

[Deleted member 848]

I agree, part of that comes from the way that minority community conducts themselves. Not just from changes, sorely needed, in the majority comujnity and changes in society as a whole.

Banning guns is beyond a non starter in American politics and society. It will never happen short of civil war. If you banned guns sales and start trying to remove them what are you going to do? Go door to door on every property in the US and do a complete search? How much money will that cost? How well will that go over in places like Coldwater, MS. Panguitch, UT and Shamrock, TX.? It won't and people will die. Lot's of people. It'll lead to war. I'd bet on it.

if the proposed solution was confiscating all guns (which isn't what I meant or proposed), then you'd just ask citizens to turn them in, and start dishing out fines/sentences to those who don't obey the law and were seen using/owning weapons (that didn't sit with a certain criteria. For example, in the UK you're still allowed to hold onto guns for collection/family-related reasoning, etc.). That's what the UK did after Dunblane, and we all know what their gun violence stats are now. So you wouldnt have the necessity of getting George to turn in his great granddad's confederate rifle.

 

[Stoked]

if the proposed solution was confiscating all guns (which isn't what I meant or proposed), then you'd just ask citizens to turn them in, and start dishing out fines/sentences to those who don't obey the law and were seen using/owning weapons (that didn't sit with a certain criteria. For example, in the UK you're still allowed to hold onto guns for collection/family-related reasoning, etc.). That's what the UK did after Dunblane, and we all know what their gun violence stats are now. So you wouldnt have the necessity of getting George to turn in his great granddad's confederate rifle.

I guarante that would explode into violence. Keep in mind I am not calling for violence. I just 100% expect it to result in violence over and over and over to the point up organized rebellion. It will never work in America. Wether that is good or bad I leave up to each person to decide.

What happens when a citizen refuses to comply and an arrest warrant is issued? Will the sherriff go down and arrest him? Extremely unlikely in small to medium towns through the south, great plains and mountain west. There are dozens of sherriffs on record as refusing to carry out such an order if they received one. So then what? Does the ATF get dispatched to round up to arrest them? How will that play in the local populace? I will tell you how. Cliven Bundy, that's how. Then what?

 

[Beer]

I guarante that would explode into violence. Keep in mind I am not calling for violence. I just 100% expect it to result in violence over and over and over to the point up organized rebellion. It will never work in America. Wether that is good or bad I leave up to each person to decide.

What happens when a citizen refuses to comply and an arrest warrant is issued? Will the sherriff go down and arrest him? Extremely unlikely in small to medium towns through the south, great plains and mountain west. There are dozens of sherriffs on record as refusing to carry out such an order if they received one. So then what? Does the ATF get dispatched to round up to arrest them? How will that play in the local populace? I will tell you how. Cliven Bundy, that's how. Then what?

Agreed, americans are psychotic about their guns. I don't hate people having guns, I prefer not to have them in my home but to each his own. But there is this odd obsession with guns that I just don't get. I feel like people would give up their children or cars before they give up their guns.

 

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[RandyForRubio]

Sanders is loony.

 

[gandalfe]

Sanders is loony.

What is loony?

 

[JimLes]

What is loony?

 

[DutchJazzer]

I don't give a **** who's for guns or not.
Molon Labe.

you can tell a lot about the way a man handles a gun.
for example
obama

Putin

rick perry

bernie sanders

thats right no gun pictures on the web so he is even more wimpy than obama

bobby jindal

trump

heck even sarah palin is more baddass than obummer

 

[RandyForRubio]

Honestly though, his economic policies would be a huge failure.

 

[Eminence]

Honestly though, his economic policies would be a huge failure.

Could you expand on the how/why a little bit for me? Economics isn't really my area, I do biology/kids

 

[RandyForRubio]

Could you expand on the how/why a little bit for me? Economics isn't really my area, I do biology/kids

No. I'm just here to give vague answers that make it sound like I know what I'm talking about.