Better NBA career: Myles Turner or Trey Lyles?
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The homerism part is unreal in Utah.
I swear we are maybe the worst fans in the NBA for this. Srs.
But still the best fans, overall, by all of my metrics.
Thee Jazz Fan
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It's not about who was better last year. I just see Lyles with a higher ceiling. Players develop at different rates. Also Lyles played less then Turner. Lyles was very good the last month. Didn't he average 12 pts a game the last month?
ghsartin
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It is a matter of both scouting and percentages. Turner came into the league touted as a good shooter and his percentagens proved that college scouting reports were true. He shot .498 overall and seems already a good shooter from the low post (which is a rarity these days) to the 3 point line.
Lyles, on the other hand, came in with people doubting his shooting, since he didn't shoot well in college. He shot a lot better than expected during his first season in the league but not as well as Turner. Lyles clearly have 3 point range now - which is nice - but I still would like to see his FG% above .450 for at least a season - he shot .438 last season - before declaring him a good shooter. My main concern with him, to tell you the truth, is that he might be too trigger-happy; which would mean that his not-so-good shot-selection might impair his ability to actually hit a good percentage of his shots even though he seems to possess both a good stroke and a good touch.
Good enough?
Thee Jazz Fan
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It is a matter of both scouting and percentages. Turner came into the league touted as a good shooter and his percentagens proved that college scouting reports were true. He shot .498 overall and seems already a good shooter from the low post (which is a rarity these days) to the 3 point line.
Lyles, on the other hand, came in with people doubting his shooting, since he didn't shoot well in college. He shot a lot better than expected during his first season in the league but not as well as Turner. Lyles clearly have 3 point range now - which is nice - but I still would like to see his FG% above .450 for at least a season - he shot .438 last season - before declaring him a good shooter. My main concern with him, to tell you the truth, is that he might be too trigger-happy; which would mean that his not-so-good shot-selection might impair his ability to actually hit a good percentage of his shots even though he seems to possess both a good stroke and a good touch.
Good enough?
No it's not. I saw nothing to believe Lyles showed bad shot selection or being trigger happy. Turner was 3-14 from 3 and most of his offense came from 15 ft and in where as most of Lyles offense came from 20ft and out to the 3pt line. I don't care what Lyles did at Kentucky. I only care about what he does for the Jazz, and all he did was show he could create space on the floor and create driving oppertunities. One might say him playing out of position in college prepared him to play on the Jazz as a stretch 4
All he did was prove he could be a stretch/playmaking 4 in the NBA.
Maybe Turner proved he could hit the college 3 better then Lyles in college, but Lyles proved he had NBA 3 pt range where as Turner proved nothing in that regard. Turner is more of an inside player, Lyles is an outside player. Turner should be expected to have a better fg% then Lyles.
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Jazz4ever
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Wrong. 36% of Turner's offense was between 16' and the 3 point line where he killed it at 42%.
Thee Jazz Fan
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What stats are u looking at? Idiot!! He shot 14 three's all year H shot an average of 0.2 three's a game and made three, good for 21%.
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ghsartin
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Chill out, dude! Jazz4ever was probably looking at basketballreference.com - which I did too. Turner was efficient anywhere inside the arc, by the way.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turnemy01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html
Jazz4ever
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Can you read? 8th grade dropout? I said from 16' up to the 3 point line.
ghsartin
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Turner really doesn't seem like someone capable of "creating for others" as you put it but I'm not so sure about the "creating for himself" part. When he receives the ball in the low post sometimes he seems to be able to just turn and hit the shot with the defender right on him. The way he does it reminds me a bit of Malone's turnaround jumper, by the way.
If Turner can keep improving his body and mobility, he's pretty special. He can defend pretty well in space and his turn-around jumper is almost unguardable.
I like the way Lyles rebounded and shot the ball in Summer League. That looked special too. If Lyles is going to catch up to Turner, it will be based on his ability to handle and make decisions with the ball. Lyles is potentially a triple-threat player. Whereas, Turner doesn't appear to be a great passer or driver from out on the floor yet.
I like the way Lyles rebounded and shot the ball in Summer League. That looked special too. If Lyles is going to catch up to Turner, it will be based on his ability to handle and make decisions with the ball. Lyles is potentially a triple-threat player. Whereas, Turner doesn't appear to be a great passer or driver from out on the floor yet.