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Big Al Working Hard

Color me skeptical on a guy that's amassed only superficial numbers and the excuses of supporters for his entire career. And whose arrival also totally coincidentally coincided with the implosion of the league's 2nd most stable organization and second losing season in the last... 20-something years. Almost 30 years, off the top of my head.

Trying hard to shut up. Will try harder.
 
NUMBERICA said:
They also got a 2nd overall pick, good point.
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I was referring to the 2010 draft, aka who al wouldve played with if there was no trade. "good point" idiot

EDIT: I thought your post was meant in a sarcastic note, I revoke my internet beef if you weren't.
 
dalamon said:
I was referring to the 2010 draft, aka who al wouldve played with if there was no trade. "good point" idiot

EDIT: I thought your post was meant in a sarcastic note, I revoke my internet beef if you weren't.
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It was sarcastic, but also true. Darko Milicic.

Sigh. My point is that the number a player is drafted at is rather moot in contrast to WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ****ING DO.
 
And personally to summarize this scenario, I think this upcoming season is make or break for all. If he can average 20/10, play decent defense together with his PF AND lead his team to the playoffs, I think we have a top 10 C in our hands, and a phenomenal trading chip at that. I'm predicting he could have a ZBo-esque spike in his career, and he seems like hes working towards it. Give him a season.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It was sarcastic, but also true. Darko Milicic.

Sigh. My point is that the number a player is drafted at is rather moot in contrast to WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ****ING DO.
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Wesley Johnson did nothing this season? Especially im comparison to the SG/SF the wolves had last season?
 
So, just for fun I wanted to see what the Jazz record was when Jefferson was the games leading scorer. The Jazz record for that was 6-9. These are the teams that the Jazz beat when Jefferson was the leading scorer, Toronto (2), Clippers, Indiana, Kings, Phily. The loses are as follows Suns (2), Nets, Dallas, Boston, Knicks, Chicago, OKC, SA.

I am not sure what to make of the information from this. He scored a lot against teams the Jazz should have beat. He scored a lot against teams the Jazz should have lost to. The 6-9 record makes me very concerned. Any other thoughts?

By the way, if someone could find the Jazz record when Jefferson was the teams leading scorer I think that would explain more than the Games leading scorer stats. If you could get them please post them.
 
dalamon said:
And personally to summarize this scenario, I think this upcoming season is make or break for all. If he can average 20/10, play decent defense together with his PF AND lead his team to the playoffs, I think we have a top 10 C in our hands, and a phenomenal trading chip at that. I'm predicting he could have a ZBo-esque spike in his career, and he seems like hes working towards it. Give him a season.
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Is that all he has to do to break the top 10?
 
jazzman12 said:
I see where you going with that, but I still believe that there's not many guys in the NBA who are better down on the low block. In fact, I don't think it's really all that outlandish of a comment. If your going to judge him by his past team's overall records, be sure you include all of the factors. In Boston, he spent his first few seasons as a raw player right out of High School on Celtic teams that didn't have a ton of talent. Trading Al for KG and signing Ray Allen is what vaulted Boston to contender status. It's not as Al had the luxury of playing with all of those pieces while he was a Celtic.

Then he was traded to the abyss that is Minnesota. If you wonder why Big Al didn't single handedly carry Minny on his back to a .500 season or two, go back and look at the rosters he played with.

If Al were a 30 year old vet who was supposed to be a finished product, I'd have a much more different opinion of him. However, I believe he was still only 25 when the Jazz traded for him and in my opinion had yet to play his best basketball.
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Definately a fair assessment - No arguement here
 
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