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Bronco70 said:
So it has to be either a completely professional, fully objective journalist, or a full blown BYU hater? That logic is convenient for your argument, but I'm guessing the truth somewhere in the grey area that you can't seem to see.

Have you considered the possibility that all the schools in the MWC (that aren't Utah or BYU) are worried about where their conference may be headed? I can fully understand why a CSU guy might be irked at BYU. Especially as arrogant as the cougars can be.

Look, I'm not saying you or CSU boy are completely wrong, or that BYU is necessarily everything they think they are. I'm just saying it's silly to validate yourself using someone else with motives to diminish BYU's stature.
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This guy has no more reason to be biased against BYU than any other writer that would ever do a story on BYU. He writes for a big time paper, in a pretty major market, where the local teams don't have any rivalries with BYU. So yes, if you are dismissing him as being biased, then I can't imagine anyone ever saying anything about BYU without you just dismissing them as being biased.

This guy is a professional journalist, in a neutral market. It's his job to tell it like it is.

I highly doubt CSU fans are "worried about their future" at this point. Once the MWC invited Nevada and Fresno, their future was secure. If the MWC breaks up, you can bet CSU will be one of the teams going to the new conference.
 
SaltyDawg said:
This guy has no more reason to be biased against BYU than any other writer that would ever do a story on BYU. He writes for a big time paper, in a pretty major market, where the local teams don't have any rivalries with BYU. So yes, if you are dismissing him as being biased, then I can't imagine anyone ever saying anything about BYU without you just dismissing them as being biased.

This guy is a professional journalist, in a neutral market. It's his job to tell it like it is.

I highly doubt CSU fans are "worried about their future" at this point. Once the MWC invited Nevada and Fresno, their future was secure. If the MWC breaks up, you can bet CSU will be one of the teams going to the new conference.
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Well, if you are so insistent on sticking to your ALL-OR-NOTHING guns, I guess I am wasting time with you.

But for the record, if you think CSU (or any other team in the MWC) has no vested interest in what BYU does, you are fooling yourself. I understand that in your heart of hearts you want to believe that BYU is insignificant, but in reality they aren't. As it stands, the MWC is a much better conference if they don't go. And that benefits every member of it.

If Utah were sticking around, this might not be such a big deal - don't let the door hit you on the *** on the way out - but, like it or not, BYU is important to the MWC, to their reputation, and to their bottom line. If BYU walks, it severely hampers the MWC's ability to upgrade their TV deal. This affects every school.

Nuetral... not so much.

Perhaps you'd care to explain to me why a Denver Post writer (who's indifferent to BYU, and couldn't care less whether they stay or go) would bother writing this story anyway. Not relevant in his market, right? If nobody cares, seems like a waste.
 
Bronco70 said:
......If Utah were sticking around, this might not be such a big deal - don't let the door hit you on the *** on the way out - but, like it or not, BYU is important to the MWC, to their reputation, and to their bottom line. If BYU walks, it severely hampers the MWC's ability to upgrade their TV deal. This affects every school.
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This is the perfect rebuttal to Conan's theory that when Utah leaves, it's business as usual, but when Big, Bad, BYU decides to leave, people go hay wire.

The difference is, Utah was the first to draw blood. The MWC saw it coming as a possibility for quite some time. With Utah leaving, I'm sure Craig Thompson figured he still had 3 schools in Boise St, TCU, and BYU that could draw in good revenue from a new TV deal down the road and build a 12 team conference around them in an effort to secure AQ status.

If BYU had gone independant first, and Utah reacted to that and tried to leave right after them, it would be the same amount of chaos from the MWC point of view and they'd be trying to do everything possible to retain Utah. As much as BYU lovers would like to turn this into a BYU is better than Utah issue, it isn't. It's simply the fact that the MWC feels like it needs 3 "Anchor" teams to take this conference to the next level and they are doing everything possible to keep that intact.

Props to Chris Hill and the U of U for their forward thinking. While BYU has spent the last few years "entertaining" the idea of going independant, Chris Hill was laying the ground work for Utah to eventually be accepted into the Pac 10. Yes, they needed a good break, such as Texas backing out of the "mega conference" plan, but Utah put themselves in excellent position once that plan fell apart.

BYU on the other hand, decides to hurry up and attempt indendence by 2011 in reaction to what Utah has done simply because they don't feel like they can afford to let Utah leave them in the dust like that. If you don't believe that BYU's master plan for independance was ill-concieved, just look at how it's falling down all around them as we speak.

It's nice to see Utah be proactive while BYU is reactive. However, my heart does go out to Cougar fans. I'm sure getting bitch-slapped back into place by the MWC doesn't taste very good.
 
Bronco70 said:
Nuetral... not so much.

Perhaps you'd care to explain to me why a Denver Post writer (who's indifferent to BYU, and couldn't care less whether they stay or go) would bother writing this story anyway. Not relevant in his market, right? If nobody cares, seems like a waste.
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And that is my point. Anyone who bothers to write a story about BYU would be considered biased in your book because they "cared" enough to write the story. The fact is, it's a story everyone is interested in, whether they care about BYU or not. It's major college football news.

Real quick...

1: I don't think BYU is insignificant.

2: BYU staying doesn't mean anything as far as tv contracts go. The tv contract is already signed. If they negotiate a new contract, it will be better than the current contract- with or without BYU.

3: BYU staying would probably help the BCS bid for the conference, but even that is not a big deal because even if BYU leaves, with the additions of BSU, FSU, and UNR, the MWC has a better BCS rating than last year- with or without BYU.

4: That reporter may or may not be biased, but his points were all spot on, and pretty much all of his points have been brought up in other articles too (though I don't think I've seen all of them in the same article yet).
 
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to go a little OneBrow here:

SaltyDawg said:
Anyone who bothers to write a story about BYU would be considered biased in your book because they "cared" enough to write the story.
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No. If the story was just about BYU considering independence - the Major College Football Story you're talking about - it would read like a news story. This reads like teenagers on Facebook - "You're not as cool as you think you are. You're lame. Whatever." You need to understand that BIAS is not necessarily a negative thing. To assert that the reporter has no interest beyond reporting the story is ridiculous, considering the fashion in which it was written.


2: BYU staying doesn't mean anything as far as tv contracts go. The tv contract is already signed. If they negotiate a new contract, it will be better than the current contract- with or without BYU.
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This may be correct, but it wouldn't take much to top the current deal. Bottom line is, BYU being in or out WILL impact that negotiation. BYU in = better contract.

3: BYU staying would probably help the BCS bid for the conference, but even that is not a big deal because even if BYU leaves, with the additions of BSU, FSU, and UNR, the MWC has a better BCS rating than last year- with or without BYU.
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Are you really trying to argue that FSU and Nevada would compensate for the loss of BYU? BCS-wise... maybe. Maybe. But I think that whole argument is going to be irrelevant in the next few years. Profile-wise, BSU was a nice addition, but it is little consolation for the loss of Utah, IMO. FSU and Nev are not flagship programs. I think the MWC was ***-kicking their way into an AQ, until the PAC 10 stepped in. Without Utah, the argument for a bid is considerably weaker. They are not teetering on the edge of being "in" anymore. They need all the help they can get. And BYU is one of the top programs in the conference.

4: That reporter may or may not be biased, but his points were all spot on...
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Meaning, he agreed with you. I already knew that.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Yeah, I guess it's possible that anyone who ever says anything negative about BYU is just a biased hater. It's far more likely that this professional journalist at a Denver paper is telling it like it is.
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Two words for you Salty: "Persecution Complex"

If you ain't got one, you ain't a zoob!
 
The details of the BYU to the WAC possibility have been released. Although virtually moot now, still an interesting read:

Exactly how close was BYU to declaring its football independence and rejoining the Western Athletic Conference?

Close enough that what can essentially be called a prenuptial agreement was drawn up and ready to go — until Fresno State and Nevada got proposals they liked a little better.

In a document obtained by the Deseret News on Monday, details are spelled out that shed a lot of light on how BYU and the WAC were negotiating and, perhaps, some of the reasons BYU was considering such a move.
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700059598/BYU-football-Cougar-WAC-prenup-gives-insight.html?pg=1

Interesting that the potential buyout for BYU was only 2 mil, whereas it was 5 mil for every other school in the WAC. And it was waived entirely if the school (including BYU) went to an AQ conference. Just shows how desperate the WAC was to get BYU in...they were willing to be used as a stepping stone by BYU into the Pac-12 or Big 12.
 
Jeditiger said:
I would never willfully insult someone in that manner unless I knew they were, in fact, a zoob. If you are not, in fact, a zoob, then you have my apologies good sir!
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Thank you. I'm certainly not a BYU fan.

Thing is, I don't even really disagree with Salty at the core of the BYU issue. But that isn't what we're conversing about. I just don't believe for one second that a Colorado-based MWC beat writer is writing a story about BYU's skewed perception of themselves - solely for journalistic pursuit and objective reporting. There are likely ulterior motives - shame BYU into staying put...? I don't know. Also, the fact that Salty cites this article as validation of his position is particularly amusing. But I disagree with him, he disagrees with me. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
 
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