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Biyombo- just came out he has back issues- worth the risk?

Also, according to Feldman, an NBA GM told him he wouldn't be surprised if Utah passed on Derrick Williams. How pissed would you be if that happened?
 
Favors Flave said:
Livid because that means we take Knight over Williams
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Williams over Knight isn't so clear cut. Look at it this way: what would you have thought of Williams if he declared after his freshman year? Now look at Knight. What do you think his stats would be next year? Whatever you think those numbers would be is how Knight compares to Williams.
 
billyshelby said:
Williams over Knight isn't so clear cut. Look at it this way: what would you have thought of Williams if he declared after his freshman year? Now look at Knight. What do you think his stats would be next year? Whatever you think those numbers would be is how Knight compares to Williams.
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Their is a definite exciting factor of Williams though. Williams would give us a dangerous line at positions 1-5, especially if we can land Walker or Jimmer at 12.
 
why does it have to be Ryan Feldman?

Bismack Biyombo impressive in final predraft workout

CHARLOTTE -- Working out for the third team in three days, Bismack Biyombo continued his recovery from a poor showing at the adidas Eurocamp in Treviso, Italy, by flashing the athleticism that had NBA scouts and fans drooling after his Nike Hoop Summit performance in April.

Biyombo was a part of a six-man workout in Charlotte in front of coach Paul Silas, general manager Rich Cho and owner Michael Jordan. Matched up against Marcus Morris, Jordan Hamilton, Chris Singleton, JaJuan Johnson and Thomas Coleman, Biyombo did what one might expect -- blocked shots and threw down dunks in spectacular fashion -- but he also managed to display a shooting touch that was better than advertised. Biyombo worked out for the Raptors on Monday and the Pistons on Tuesday.
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He's not falling past 8 or 9
 
billyshelby said:
Williams over Knight isn't so clear cut. Look at it this way: what would you have thought of Williams if he declared after his freshman year? Now look at Knight. What do you think his stats would be next year? Whatever you think those numbers would be is how Knight compares to Williams.
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Sorry, but no way. Williams played over half the season with a broken hand, wouldn't even acknowledge it was broken so that opponents would not know. The coaching staff finally let it leak after it healed (right before the tourney). Miller (the coach) says every other player he has coached would have sat with that injury and that he thought Williams should do. Most players do not have anywhere close to the improvement that Williams has shown. Assuming that Knight will do the same is assuming that Knight is also incredibly above average, something that his performances early on this year would not indicate (if you actually watched his games). Williams stats may not be there is first year, but his game actually was still fun to watch.

I have watch Sean Elliot, Sean Rooks, Khalid Reeves, Damon S., Gilbert Arenas, Richard Jefferson, Luke Walton and Derrick Williams all play in person (only saw williams 6 times in person though). Of them, I felt that Elliot, Reeves, Arenas, and Jefferson would have good careers. I felt that Channing Frye would be lucky to make it to the league. Williams though is just an amazing competitor. He REFUSES to lose. He really is special. I honestly believe he may be the best to ever come out of Arizona.
 
This sort of thing happens every year right before the draft. Usually (Darrell Arthur and Dejuan Blair) the medical concerns are overblown.
 
I've never really liked Biyombo over many of the guys we've talked about. All he really does is block shots. His offense is horrible. He doesn't seem to have good hands. I guess people think he'll be the next Ben Wallace? I think he's too risky--especially now that he has back issues and at one point questionable knees.
 
phippsj said:
Sorry, but no way. Williams played over half the season with a broken hand, wouldn't even acknowledge it was broken so that opponents would not know. The coaching staff finally let it leak after it healed (right before the tourney). Miller (the coach) says every other player he has coached would have sat with that injury and that he thought Williams should do. Most players do not have anywhere close to the improvement that Williams has shown. Assuming that Knight will do the same is assuming that Knight is also incredibly above average, something that his performances early on this year would not indicate (if you actually watched his games). Williams stats may not be there is first year, but his game actually was still fun to watch.

I have watch Sean Elliot, Sean Rooks, Khalid Reeves, Damon S., Gilbert Arenas, Richard Jefferson, Luke Walton and Derrick Williams all play in person (only saw williams 6 times in person though). Of them, I felt that Elliot, Reeves, Arenas, and Jefferson would have good careers. I felt that Channing Frye would be lucky to make it to the league. Williams though is just an amazing competitor. He REFUSES to lose. He really is special. I honestly believe he may be the best to ever come out of Arizona.
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Also, usually when pretty much everyone says a particular player is the best player in the draft, they usually are. This year most people say that about Williams. Some people say Irving but that's considering how well he does with the media for Cleveland's sake. In our case, that would be a tough call, but an impact big seems a better value if nothing else.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Also, according to Feldman, an NBA GM told him he wouldn't be surprised if Utah passed on Derrick Williams. How pissed would you be if that happened?
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If KOC determined he can't be a viable SF, then I'm ok with that. Last thing we need is a Marvin Williams. He was highly regarded as a forward, but turned out to be a tweener and has been a role player - not worth where he was selected. You know Atlanta would love to have that pick back!

We already have 2 PF's who are superior to DWill in Millsap and Favors. Well, perhaps DWill has a better offensive game right now than Favors, but Millsap is close to being a 20/10 player who is just holding the spot warm until Favors steps in. I don't see Derrick as vastly superior to Knight or Kanter in terms of potential. To use a KOC expression, this draft lacks separation. I think we can get two starters from this draft. If DWill is viewed as strictly a PF, he's not, IMO, the type of rising star you take as BPA and look to trade who you already have on the roster at that position (Favors).

We must be reading different draft reports, Guitaro. When you say, "pretty much everyone says (Williams) is the best player in the draft," can you provide a few sources (outside of AZ media?). I'd say it's a very mixed and even bag amongst the national "experts": some say Irving, some say Williams, some say Kanter.
 
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