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From: https://www.hickory-high.com/?p=7495

The Chris Childs Award – This award goes to the player who has posted the highest Turnover Percentage so far this season. It’s named after former New York Knick, Chris Childs, who retired with a career Turnover Percentage of 22.8%. (Minimum 500 minutes)

Utah’s dynamic duo of backup point guards, Earl Watson and Jamaal Tinsley finished 1-2 in the final tally for this award. Both players actually increased their TO% since the All-Star break, which is amazing considered how bloated those numbers already were. In the end Watson separated himself fairly significantly, turning the ball over on 34.5% of his possessions, compared to just 30.2% for Tinsley. Just to really drive home how little depth Utah had in the backcourt this season, I’ll point out that in addition to their turnover problems, both Tinsley and Watson shot under 40% for the season and still combined to play 2050 minutes for the Jazz. Interestingly for a pair of pass-first point guards, passing seemed to be their biggest challenge:

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I knew it was bad but ugh, that is awful.
So the obvious question. Why did Jazz keep Burks on the bench instead of playing him as back-up pg?

--Was it because Burks was the back-up sg because Rodger Bail was sipping Sunrises in Miami hoping, and the Rookie Murphy wasn't an NBA player even though he was itching to play?
 
Holy ****, Tinsley sucked.

EDIT- What was Burks' TO percentage? I remember Burks' was bad as a PG and I remember Locke loving Tinsley for his low TO% at the PG position.
 
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...obviously, Jazz basketball this year was....UNWATCHABLE! But then again, these playoffs are just about as bad!
 
...obviously, Jazz basketball this year was....UNWATCHABLE! But then again, these playoffs are just about as bad!
What we need is a stat that tracks turnovers per tattoo. Is there any truth to the rumor that more tats - specifically more JAILHOUSE tats - result in more TO's?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but high TO% means basically a low ratio of shots to turnovers. Our two guys were so high because they were so reluctant to shoot, not so much because they turned the ball over more often than other point guards.

In fact both Tinsley and Watson are lower (if just barely), than both Mo Williams and Jeff Teague (to pick a name that some Jazz fans would like to see here) in TOs per 36 minutes.
 
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What we need is a stat that tracks turnovers per tattoo. Is there any truth to the rumor that more tats - specifically more JAILHOUSE tats - result in more TO's?

....however, on second thought, there may not be that much of a connection! Dwayne Wade is a turnover "machine" as is Westbrook.....and I don't think either has a single tattoo!!!
 
Holy Dog ****, looks like they will be getting long deals signed this off season with the Jazz for those kick *** numbers
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but high TO% means basically a low ratio of shots to turnovers. Our two guys were so high because they were so reluctant to shoot, not so much because they turned the ball over more often than other point guards.

In fact both Tinsley and Watson are lower (if just barely), than both Mo Williams and Jeff Teague (to pick a name that some Jazz fans would like to see here) in TOs per 36 minutes.

Thanks. Stupid stat, stupid article.
 
The real question is, did Ty make ONE decision that was good? What do we have to build on here? Or is this a chance for Utah to "unintentionally" tank? Do you think the organization feels they need to keep Ty to appease fans like Stoked but do the smart thing?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but high TO% means basically a low ratio of shots to turnovers. Our two guys were so high because they were so reluctant to shoot, not so much because they turned the ball over more often than other point guards.

In fact both Tinsley and Watson are lower (if just barely), than both Mo Williams and Jeff Teague (to pick a name that some Jazz fans would like to see here) in TOs per 36 minutes.


I had to look it up----"Turnover Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV). Turnover percentage is an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays."

Al Jefferson was a team low 7.8
Milsap & Hayward were about 11.8
Mo was 18
Alec 14
Enes was 3rd highest 19

For reference, John Stockton in 1998 was 20.1. Eisley 21, Vaugn 27.
 
I had to look it up----"Turnover Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV). Turnover percentage is an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays."

At the very least, this stat, without assists included, makes no sense at all in evaluating PGs.
 
What this stat basically means to me is that tinsley and Watson suck so bad at shooting that they are more likely to end a possession with a turnover than a shot attempt.
 
I had to look it up----"Turnover Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV). Turnover percentage is an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays."

Al Jefferson was a team low 7.8
Milsap & Hayward were about 11.8
Mo was 18
Alec 14
Enes was 3rd highest 19

For reference, John Stockton in 1998 was 20.1. Eisley 21, Vaugn 27.

wrong. I don't see plays in the formula.
It's the ratio of turnovers to shots, like idiot said.

Most others in this thread are misunderstanding the stat.
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I assume TOV stands for turnover volume. If not, I'll have to take another look.
 
What this stat basically means to me is that tinsley and Watson suck so bad at shooting that they are more likely to end a possession with a turnover than a shot attempt.

No, this is also incorrect.
It is a stupid misleading stat used in the article for sensationalism.
 
wrong. I don't see plays in the formula.
It's the ratio of turnovers to shots, like idiot said.

Most others in this thread are misunderstanding the stat.
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I assume TOV stands for turnover volume. If not, I'll have to take another look.

Wow, thanks for catching that, I'd better tell the nba stats site that I grabbed the definition from that they have had it wrong for 30+ years. You can expect a call from them any minute now.:rolleyes:

Sorry to post something other than the standard Ty corbin & Al Jefferson suck and Jazz should get Drexler Sabonis.

Its a long time till October.
 
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