Building blocks, my thoughts on the direction the jazz should take.

[Thee Jazz Fan]

There was so much excitement to start the year because of the 1-14 start. I think a lot of us thought we were guaranteed Parker or Wiggins, but since then the jazz have won around half there games, and will probably end up in the 5-8 pick range. We will probably end up getting a good, but not that game changer it takes to get a championship.

Been thinking of the direction the Jazz need to go in, and by that I feel we need at least a top three pick. I figure we would do best to get a wing like Wiggins or Parker. We already have Favors locked in for 4 years, and Kanter, and Gobert, who is showing some serious potential as a rim protector, and think he could net us 10-12 points a game on put backs and developing at least one go to move.

I presume Burks should start next year, and with him and Hayward in the starting lineup, do we really need a pg. Burks would provide the scoring allowing Hayward to be the main assist man hitting an occasional three or slashing to the hoop, then if you add Wiggins or Parker that's a hell of a starting lineup if we get Wiggins start him at sg letting Hayward be the point forward, or if we get Parker obviously we just put Hayward at sg.

Burks
Wiggins
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Four of the 5 are above average defenders with Burks as an average defender, but with plenty of offense.

Or...

Burks
Hayward
Parker
Favors
Gobert

So obviously the two odd men out are Burke and Kanter. The jazz possibly have the assets to move from 5 to 3 in the draft, presumably allowing the the jazz to pick either Parker or Wiggins.

We have three great assets to trade into the top three from just outside that spot in Burke, Kanter, and the gs pick

I don think this is perfect. Obviously the team we would trade with has to have a need at pg, and hopefully a big need at the C position.

Again with Burks and Hayward do we really need a pg in the starting lineup? Also if we get Parker, he would add to that. Also we get rid of two guys that would be looking for big pay days in the future.

Thoughts...

 

[BTP]

I don't think you'll find many supporters to your suggestion to cash in on Burke's market value.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I don't think you'll find many supporters to your suggestion to cash in on Burke's market value.

I like Burke and all, but I'm not sure a 6ft scoring pg is going to help us win a championship. In my opinion Favors is a better player then Kanter, and Gobert could develop into an elite rim protector and rebounder. If we get Wiggins or Parker, we don't need Kanter's offense.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I don't think you'll find many supporters to your suggestion to cash in on Burke's market value.

Is this how you feel?

 

[Growlor]

Time to stop dreaming of Wiggins and Parker. The FO and coach Ty spent the off-season gearing up for the great tank-off.
Since then they have come across lukewarm. Perhaps the lack of ticket sales has caused them to flinch.

Regardless... the real question is this; If the Jazz take the role players we currently have, add a pick like Rodney Hood or Jermai Grant, use our cap space to pick up a free agent where will we be next year? In the FA market we will never get the tier 1 FA's (Lebron, Duncan, Dirk). So, will a draft pick around 8-12 and a free agent like Shaun Marrion/Paul Pierce/Luol Deng be enough to get the Jazz into the second round of the playoffs? Or are we doomed to mediocrity?

 

[Stoked]

I like Burke and all, but I'm not sure a 6ft scoring pg is going to help us win a championship. In my opinion Favors is a better player then Kanter, and Gobert could develop into an elite rim protector and rebounder. If we get Wiggins or Parker, we don't need Kanter's offense.

Neither is Burks running the point.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Time to stop dreaming of Wiggins and Parker. The FO and coach Ty spent the off-season gearing up for the great tank-off.
Since then they have come across lukewarm. Perhaps the lack of ticket sales has caused them to flinch.

Regardless... the real question is this; If the Jazz take the role players we currently have, add a pick like Rodney Hood or Jermai Grant, use our cap space to pick up a free agent where will we be next year? In the FA market we will never get the tier 1 FA's (Lebron, Duncan, Dirk). So, will a draft pick around 8-12 and a free agent like Shaun Marrion/Paul Pierce/Luol Deng be enough to get the Jazz into the second round of the playoffs? Or are we doomed to mediocrity?

I'm not talking about the second round. I'm talking about getting a championship.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Neither is Burks running the point.

All he's dong is bringing up the ball. Hayward would work as the assist man And playmaker with Burks and Parker or Wiggins being the scores.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I like Burke and all, but I'm not sure a 6ft scoring pg is going to help us win a championship. In my opinion Favors is a better player then Kanter, and Gobert could develop into an elite rim protector and rebounder. If we get Wiggins or Parker, we don't need Kanter's offense.

he is not a scoring pg.

corbin system does not allow hiim to be an assisting guard

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

he is not a scoring pg.

corbin system does not allow hiim to be an assisting guard

Ok genius!! He only calls himself one in many interviews he's done. That's how he thinks of himself

 

[franklin]

I'm not talking about the second round. I'm talking about getting a championship.

Root for a new team then. This sucks.

 

[framer]

Time to stop dreaming of Wiggins and Parker. The FO and coach Ty spent the off-season gearing up for the great tank-off.
Since then they have come across lukewarm. Perhaps the lack of ticket sales has caused them to flinch.

Regardless... the real question is this; If the Jazz take the role players we currently have, add a pick like Rodney Hood or Jermai Grant, use our cap space to pick up a free agent where will we be next year? In the FA market we will never get the tier 1 FA's (Lebron, Duncan, Dirk). So, will a draft pick around 8-12 and a free agent like Shaun Marrion/Paul Pierce/Luol Deng be enough to get the Jazz into the second round of the playoffs? Or are we doomed to mediocrity?

Once again for the thousandth time. Jazz play Lucas for 30 minutes, top 3 worst record, if they actually play Trey Burks, not so much. Trey has come along better and faster than anyone but his mama would have thought. There is no coaching tweak, trading of Jefferson, moving of Marvin that is going to automatically put us in the 1 to 3 range. Only playing large minutes for Lucas and Benching Burke. That's it. It's how we got to 1-14. Does anyone advocate sitting Trey on the bench and playing Lucas for 30-35 minutes? Anyone? Can you imaging the joke we would become?

I also don't understand why anyone is in such a hurry to trade Trey. Sure all the good teams have a good point guard, but if we trade Trey, we don't. If you have one, hold on to him like gold until you have two. Then you can worry about trading a good point guard.

The only three tradable commodities that we have right now that we could get value for are Favors, Burke, and Burks. Everyone else we will get short value on because of their contract situation or rawness. Anyone want to trade any of those three?

I see no reason why, if we draft well at where we are currently slotted, we can't be better than the Warriors next year. Yes it is nice to have a superstar, but if you match a superstar on superstar salary and screw up 1 or 2 large contract you get the New Jersey Nets or the Knicks. Having a solid number of great players on fair contracts is going to do more than it has in the past because of the tightening salary structure. There will be more Indianas than Miamis. Don't get caught riding last decade's trend.

 

[Growlor]

Once again for the thousandth time. Jazz play Lucas for 30 minutes, top 3 worst record, if they actually play Trey Burks, not so much. Trey has come along better and faster than anyone but his mama would have thought. There is no coaching tweak, trading of Jefferson, moving of Marvin that is going to automatically put us in the 1 to 3 range. Only playing large minutes for Lucas and Benching Burke. That's it. It's how we got to 1-14. Does anyone advocate sitting Trey on the bench and playing Lucas for 30-35 minutes? Anyone? Can you imaging the joke we would become?

I also don't understand why anyone is in such a hurry to trade Trey. Sure all the good teams have a good point guard, but if we trade Trey, we don't. If you have one, hold on to him like gold until you have two. Then you can worry about trading a good point guard.

The only three tradable commodities that we have right now that we could get value for are Favors, Burke, and Burks. Everyone else we will get short value on because of their contract situation or rawness. Anyone want to trade any of those three?

I see no reason why, if we draft well at where we are currently slotted, we can't be better than the Warriors next year. Yes it is nice to have a superstar, but if you match a superstar on superstar salary and screw up 1 or 2 large contract you get the New Jersey Nets or the Knicks. Having a solid number of great players on fair contracts is going to do more than it has in the past because of the tightening salary structure. There will be more Indianas than Miamis. Don't get caught riding last decade's trend.

I agree, but how do we get Ty to get onboard with the JL train. Unless that happens I don't see us making the HUGE leap we are all hoping for. Rather, we will end up taking a baby step forward.

 

[fishonjazz]

Time to stop dreaming of Wiggins and Parker. .

OP is suggesting that we use our assets (our own #5-8 pick, gs pick, and kanter, burke) to move up into the top 3 to get wiggins or parker.

I agree with stoked though about burks not being a point guard..... Though I think he IS better suited to defend point guards than 2 gaurds.

 

[Zulu]

Rather have Neto be our pg and Parker be our stretch four!!!

Neto
Burks
Hayward
Parker
Favors

With Evans, Gobert & Doug McDermott(GS pick) coming off the bench!!

 

[fishonjazz]

Rather have Neto be our pg and Parker be our stretch four!!!

Neto
Burks
Hayward
Parker
Favors

With Evans, Gobert & Doug McDermott(GS pick) coming off the bench!!

I like the jabari stretch 4 idea.
I think burks, hayward, jabari, and favors would be an awesome lineup no matter who the point guard is.

Plus jabari is playing center in college so he is already kinda getting prepared to play as a "big" instead of small forward

 

[Deleted member 848]

McDermott won't be there for the GS pick IMO.

 

[franklin]

OP is suggesting that we use our assets (our own #5-8 pick, gs pick, and kanter, burke) to move up into the top 3 to get wiggins or parker.

I agree with stoked though about burks not being a point guard..... Though I think he IS better suited to defend point guards than 2 gaurds.

Humph, no. Burks gets abused by anyone who uses a screen on him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Time to stop dreaming of Wiggins and Parker. The FO and coach Ty spent the off-season gearing up for the great tank-off.
Since then they have come across lukewarm. Perhaps the lack of ticket sales has caused them to flinch.

I disagree with your statement. The "tank" is proceeding exactly how they planned and perhaps a bit better. Compare the core-5 to personnel on teams like Boston, Philly and Orlando. I don't think there was ever a belief by Lindsey that the Jazz would end up top-5. The 1-14 start was the result of Burke being injured, not because the rest of the team is terrible. What exactly has changed with Ty and Lindsey? The core-5 are still getting minutes. Enes is averaging 25; perhaps we wanted him to get 30. Alec is averaging 28. Ok, bump him up a couple as well. But I don't think swapping RJ or MW for those two would make much difference in the record. In fact, Jazz might be better by a game or two.

So what would need to happen for the Jazz to lose more? Play Biedrins instead of Favors? Bench Burke and go back to Lucas as the starting PG? Yes, I suppose Ty could be told to bench MW and RJ and play Rush, Evans and Thomas instead. I'm not convinced that's the way to go. I think the line-up is shaping up exactly how they want to proceed next season, i.e. bring a couple of scorers (Kanter and Burks) off the bench and keep some floor spacers in the game alongside Favors, Hayward and Burke. Just need to upgrade via the draft/FA over MW and RJ and strengthen the bench with Neto? and perhaps one more solid addition.

We need to give up on this idea that we will have the assets to trade up for Parker or Wiggins. NO TEAM is going to trade out of the top-2/3 (I'm saying 3 because one of those teams might fall in love with Embiid). Only way a team MIGHT consider trading out is if they were given Favors, the #5 and another pick. You simply don't trade potential superstars for lesser players.

 

[cowhide]

All he's dong is bringing up the ball. Hayward would work as the assist man And playmaker with Burks and Parker or Wiggins being the scores.

Have you forgotten how bad the Jazz were without Burke running the offense. When Hayward has been the main focus of the offense he turns into a turnover machine. Jazz need to be patient and not do something stupid like trading Burke. Besides most teams have their PG except for maybe the Lakers (not going to happen). Jazz are still going to get a very good player in this draft. You start trading guys when they don't want to be here or they are wanting too much money.

I know everyone thinks that Wiggins or Parker are going to solve our problem of not having a superstar but both of these guys are not close to being superstars yet. They have the potential to be but they are going to struggle and are going to need time to develop. I think if the Jazz get an all-star player and a good role player out of this draft then they can be a force down the line. This proclamation also includes that our Core6 get better and stay together.