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Burglar Shot Dead

Boondocksaint27 said:
If someone is forcibly entering your home in the middle of the night
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The bolded word has been the backbone of my argument this entire time. As Marcus brought up, the most reasonable solution would be to have a couple of different methods to solving a situation like this with confidence that you're not going to make a bad decision. I've heard of several stories of somebody wandering into somebody else's house by accident, or even situations that could be interpreted as that (me sneaking back into my own house late at night with no lights on because I was out past curfew when I was a kid) that would have wound up in somebody being dead that didn't deserve to be because people were too ignorant to consider the circumstances. I've heard of way more stories like that than somebody breaking into a house with the intent to kill everyone inside.
 
Marcus said:
It's not necessarily the extra effort but the extra time. Think about it, it's 3am, you've just been woken up. You need to collect your wits. You need to open the gun safe, choose the correct weapon for what you think is the correct scenario, unlock the trigger and then go investigate the source of the noise. Oh crap, the intruder has a gun in his hand and here I stand with my rubber bullets!
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Gun safe and correct weapons? Um, 2 weapons, both in specific places. If you're expecting something like this, you would have already considered the scenario and wouldn't get caught with your pants down.
 
C l u t c H 385 said:
They didn't have plenty of time. The had at most a few minutes of hearing the guy and then figuring out where he is. Again I guess it's a gamble, I don't take the small chance that it's an accident (why drunk college kid ok, but intent of raping children is fear mongering?) rather than the greater chance that it is someone with bad intentions.
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Plenty of time being what we're doing right now - spending time talking about how we'd handle a situation. Not plenty of time as in they've had weeks knowing somebody was going to break into their place.

I only say it's fear mongering because the situation that everyone brings up - getting into some kind of gun battle in your front room with a stranger - is so ridiculously unlikely that I bet you and everyone you know will never have heard of a personal story of that outside of the media.
 
unluckyseventeen said:
Gun safe and correct weapons? Um, 2 weapons, both in specific places. If you're expecting something like this, you would have already considered the scenario and wouldn't get caught with your pants down.
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No one EXPECTS these things. And now you're also advocating leaving weapons in places that are not secure from children?
 
I read all the posts in this thread, up until the Unlucky, Archie, Dude, clutch, gang bang and I have a few questions for the "shoot first" advocates.

1. What if it was one of the homeowner's children trying to sneak back into the home?

2. Why the **** could you not position yourself behind some sort of cover, flip a flash light on the intruder, and tell him your armed? If you are going to own a gun you sure as hell better have some idea of training on how to best protect yourself in your home, other than "if someone tries to open your door shoot the mother ****er". Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you grab it march downstairs and stand right in front of the door to make the statement that you'll shoot. This seems to be what most people are assuming one would do in this situation. Unless the intruder is carrying an assault rifle, you are most likely going to be safe behind a modest amount of cover.

I'm with Franklin and Viny on this one. I don't want anyone's death on my conscience, let alone a 19 year old kid, without knowing I took the measures to end the confrontation non-violently.
 
C l u t c H 385 said:
Really? Not me.

And even so, sometimes just intentions to steal things can go sour and end in violence.
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I understand that. But I've heard of literally around 8 stories from friends or family of situations in which somebody could interpret somebody in their house as a burglar, pull and gun and shoot them and wind up in a world of **** just because they didn't take the time to think of the situation being anything besides "oh ****, I better kill him before he kills me!" like it's an action movie or something.

And I've never heard of a confrontation between burglar and homeowner from friends or family, ever.
 
unluckyseventeen said:
Plenty of time being what we're doing right now - spending time talking about how we'd handle a situation. Not plenty of time as in they've had weeks knowing somebody was going to break into their place.

I only say it's fear mongering because the situation that everyone brings up - getting into some kind of gun battle in your front room with a stranger - is so ridiculously unlikely that I bet you and everyone you know will never have heard of a personal story of that outside of the media.
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I also don't personal know anyone who has broken into a house thinking it's their own because they are drunk. all this time we're talking about it doesn't make me what a gun with rubber bullets. If I do ever decide to get a gun to protect myself and family in these circumstances it will only have real bullets.
 
C l u t c H 385 said:
No one EXPECTS these things. And now you're also advocating leaving weapons in places that are not secure from children?
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No? When did I say those specific locations would be unsafe?

Also, nobody ever EXPECTS it, but if you don't plan then you deserve any negative consequences that become of it.
 
prodigal punk said:
I read all the posts in this thread, up until the Unlucky, Archie, Dude, clutch, gang bang and I have a few questions for the "shoot first" advocates.

1. What if it was one of the homeowner's children trying to sneak back into the home?

2. Why the **** could you not position yourself behind some sort of cover, flip a flash light on the intruder, and tell him your armed? If you are going to own a gun you sure as hell better have some idea of training on how to best protect yourself in your home, other than "if someone tries to open your door shoot the mother ****er". Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you grab it march downstairs and stand right in front of the door to make the statement that you'll shoot. This seems to be what most people are assuming one would do in this situation. Unless the intruder is carrying an assault rifle, you are most likely going to be safe behind a modest amount of cover.

I'm with Franklin and Viny on this one. I don't want anyone's death on my conscience, let alone a 19 year old kid, without knowing I took the measures to end the confrontation non-violently.
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Pretty much echoing everything I've just said. Thank you. (No sarcasm intended)
 
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