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But...like really.....how the **** are we gonna get a star?

dalamon said:
Right, because that's what I said. Keep building them straw men, fellas.


Pls try to prove me wrong, that the Pacers did NOT turn around after they hired Vogel. Pls.

Also, understand that I made zero comments suggesting that we need to discredit the play of Stephenson, Hibbert, George, West, and Hill just because of Vogel being a good coach.
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Maybe Vogel is such a good coach he actually reigns in PG's scoring a little bit so others can also flourish?

You are honestly going full retard right now. George's numbers say super-star and his non-stat play also says super-star.
 
I'd bet my lefty that George would be meh and Hayward would be an all-star if we drafted PG24 and they drafted Hayward.
 
dalamon said:
Fixed, and yes. How many other "superstars" can average 3 APG and 35% from the field, and still have their teams of 8-2?
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Wade.

Lebron.

Durant. (When Westbrook is there).

Duncan.


You know, anyone super-star who actually plays with a good team and not one that is utterly reliant on that player to carry them every night.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Again, you are discrediting PG's ability and impact because his team is setup well and play discplined basketball. They can withstand a bad shooting stretch by him and all of the sudden he isn't that good because of it?
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Which is mainly because of the coach?
 
If we switched PG and Hayward we would still be a terrible defensive team. It takes the coach (look at bobcats) mainly, to make a good defensive team.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Maybe Vogel is such a good coach he actually reigns in PG's scoring a little bit so others can also flourish?
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Vogel is obviously a great coach-- no one is arguing that. In fact, if you look back half a page, I credited Vogel with turning the franchise-around (after your laughable attribution to Paul George; interesting as to why you never responded to that)


You are honestly going full retard right now. George's numbers say super-star and his non-stat play also says super-star.
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Pro-tip: using "you are going full retard" incessantly in a sports-discussion does nothing more than weaken your stance, and credibility. I have justified all of my claims, with statistics, and pretty unbiased analysis IMO. Instead of resorting to personal attacks, maybe y'all should actually think of reasons as to why George "turned this franchise around" other than pointing to his box score (which is not a far-cry from what Rudy Gay averages, mind you).
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Wade.

Lebron.

Durant. (When Westbrook is there).

Duncan.


You know, anyone super-star who actually plays with a good team and not one that is utterly reliant on that player to carry them every night.
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I'm assuming youre pulling this out of your ***-- you have any proof of the teams of these players' having a 80% win percentage over a stretch of ten games while they average those stats?


Also, when is the last time that Westbrok, Durant, and Lebron averaged 3APG over 10 games?
 
Doublea said:
Which is mainly because of the coach?
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Yes.

I don't expect Paul George to coach the basketball team, draw plays, write scouting reports, do thing coaches do.

Again, having a good coach and a good team doesn't make you a worse player. It's pretty funny that we want to dock points from George because he plays on a good team.
 
Here is how i see it.
Offense is weighed more heavily than defense in the nba.

Tony allen... great defender, not a superstar. Same with sefalosha. Same with hibbert.
Even a two way player like marc gasol. Not a superstar.

I think you need to be able to carry a team in big games offensively to be a superstar for the most part. Paul pierce, kevin garnett, cp3, nowitski, kobe, wade, lebron, durant, iverson, are all guys that i have seen take over games on the offensive end in the playoffs and carry thier teams to victory.

Guys like irving, harden, lillard, curry, rose, westbrook etc are guys that i can picture carrying thier teams to victory in playoff games.
George is still young so its not like he cant get there (and im not saying that i would take lillard or irving over george right now) but right now i just cant imagine george scoring 20 pts in a 4th quarter playoff game to will his team to a win.


Now i do believe that you can be considered a superstar based off defense but it just takes more years of great defense to get thier since great defense is sometimes harder to quantify. Guys like scottie pippen, ben wallace, and dennis rodman are guys that could be considered superstars due to great defense over a large number of years.
 
dalamon said:
I'm assuming youre pulling this out of your ***-- you have any proof of the teams of these players' having a 80% win percentage over a stretch of ten games while they average those stats?


Also, when is the last time that Westbrok, Durant, and Lebron averaged 3APG over 10 games?
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I thought you were asking hypothetically, like could anyone average that and have their team win right now. Not going to go through and look at the stats. Can it happen?

Yes. Fo-Sho. Is it sustainable over a long period of time and will it help them achieve playoff success? No. Look at the Bulls last year. They did pretty good without Rose. They probably had some stretches where they played damn good in the regular season, but overall they failed without him. Same **** would happen to the Pacers.

But Rose probably ain't a super-star in your eyes and Curry is.
 
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