Bye Bye Burke

[Stifle Tower]

Cappy and Joe are correct. Jazz are lucky they didn't have to eat his contract. Thanks Wizards!!!

 

[fishonjazz]

You do realize the Wizards have some young good talent right?
YOu act like the only team that can improve in hoops is the Jazz..
The Wizards will improve too

Looking 5 years from now you would say a mid to late 2nd round. Not an early second, dummy.

He said "who knows what the wiz will look like in 5 years?"
Meaning that they could be better or worse. He wasn't saying that he thinks the pick will be a better one in five years, he was just saying it could.
Dummy

 

[fishonjazz]

I never liked Trey.

I bet none of you knew that though. I mostly kept it to myself.

Me too

 

[mrob]

The expectation that every asset must be turned into something causes people to make arguments like this, but the NBA just doesn't work that way. If it did teams would eventually build up massive value. Instead all of them burn assets. JJ walked from Miami this year for nothing. We picked up JJ without giving up an asset. We spent second round picks that probably (hopefully) won't make our team. So did a lot of teams. This is because there are a limited number of slots. Sometimes an asset (especially a second round pick) turns out not to have value. It happens to every team.

The way I see it the Jazz have compiled a roster that I'm very excited about for next year. Nice work, management.

You're absolutely right. This is a point that is so often missed in many discussions.

There is no crystal ball when dealing with the draft. Players picked in the first round OFTEN do not pan out ... even lottery picks. Look through every draft for the last 15 years and it will be riddled with players that didn't end up being worthy of that pick. What you'll also see is players that everyone missed on. Players drafted late in the first round and even in the 2nd round that end up being stars in the league.

The best that the various FOs can do is work with the best information that they have at the time. Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes EVERYONE gets it wrong. But sometimes you get it right and sometimes you get really lucky. The whole argument about "asset" is ridiculous. At the end of the day, the Jazz FO needs to put a team on the floor that can win. They have made moves this offseason that should make them better.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

^Sanity. So refreshing!

 

[fishonjazz]

- They waited to long to trade Trey which burned the value they could have received.

If I said the Jazz would trade Trey Burke for a future second round pick two years ago it would have received an lol too. The Exum quote might be extreme, but I'm definitely concerned with the FO when it comes to getting value for assets.

The problem is that once the jazz knew for certain that trey was a bust, the rest of the league did too.

What did Washington get for the asset of jan vessley? I have no idea but I'm assuming they got pretty much nothing. He was a #4 pick iirc.

 

[Ellipse]

Also his value would have been higher during the season when guys start getting injured...



... but I guess DL wants to be rid of Burke wayyyyyy before the training camp start, that much is CLEAR.

Asset management also includes treating your assets with class. Trey Burke never created a public scene about his demotion, so maybe DL felt he owed Burke a chance to restart his career on another team rather than suffer the humiliation of being the 4th pg on the Jazz.

Good luck, Trey.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Good luck Trey. He will likely find a place in the league as a scorer off the bench. Didn't work out, but nor did 60% of the players from the 2013 draft.

Our pick from 2013 was Gobert and a Washington second rounder. I am fine with that.

 

[Nate505]

I hope Trey turns it around and builds a decent career for himself there. he was nothing but a total professional in a situation where I wouldn't have blamed him a bit for not being one. The anti Kanter.

I'm not sure he will because I don't think his skill set is that great, but I hope he does. I hope he doesn't get booed here either, but sadly I think there might be a smattering of them.

 

[SCS]

The expectation that every asset must be turned into something causes people to make arguments like this, but the NBA just doesn't work that way. If it did teams would eventually build up massive value. Instead all of them burn assets. JJ walked from Miami this year for nothing. We picked up JJ without giving up an asset. We spent second round picks that probably (hopefully) won't make our team. So did a lot of teams. This is because there are a limited number of slots. Sometimes an asset (especially a second round pick) turns out not to have value. It happens to every team.

The way I see it the Jazz have compiled a roster that I'm very excited about for next year. Nice work, management.

I completely agree that some assets just don't work out. I just see a difference between trying to make an asset work, example- drafting Joel Bolomboy who has a chance to make the team... and completely washing your hands of assets by drafting players you know won't make it because of the current roster situation, example- Marcus Paige and Tyrone Wallace. See the difference? If Bolomboy doesn't work out it's fine. I have no problems. Second round picks miss more than they hit. But at least an attempt was made to maximize your asset instead of just giving the asset up.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I completely agree that some assets just don't work out. I just see a difference between trying to make an asset work, example- drafting Joel Bolomboy who has a chance to make the team... and completely washing your hands of assets by drafting players you know won't make it because of the current roster situation, example- Marcus Paige and Tyrone Wallace. See the difference? If Bolomboy doesn't work out it's fine. I have no problems. Second round picks miss more than they hit. But at least an attempt was made to maximize your asset instead of just giving the asset up.

Maybe the Jazz did not see a roster spot availalable but they are hoping to bring them in for the d-league. Maybe they had a relationship with the coach or the agent and were doing them a favor of some sort. Maybe they needed some bodies to practice against Exum and these guys had some particular traits that they liked for that. There are all sorts of possibilities that might explain why they did what they did. I think it's much more likely that they know what they are trying to accomplish than it is that you know what's going on here. DL has a lot at stake . There's no way he's not attempting to maximize his assets. Unfortunately the maximum value of multiple seconds in a weak draft for a team in win-now mode without extra roster spots just isn't very high.