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dalamon said:
Gender isn't purely a reflection of human physiology. In fact, gender is arguably divorced from physiology entirely. 'Sex' is what refers to humans with male or female reproductive physiology.


IE any individual can embrace and choose to identify by the female gender, regardless of their insides.
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and by IE, is it safe to assume you mean Internet Explorer?
 
Siro said:
And do masculinity and femininity stem from a physiological component? Or are they purely social constructs? Or is it a combination of the two? To what extent is gender a dynamic cultural phenomenon?
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In my opinion, they're purely constructed. That's not to say that none of the construction was influenced by physiology. How much of its influence are biological? The easy answer is "it's a mix"-- but it's hard determining a mix in which relative proportions, or which factor is more potent. Also femininity is not monolithic-- there are many aspects to it, some of which that may have some biological justifications, whereas others might be completely void of them. It would depend from circumstance to circumstance

I don't have a good understanding of how gender and identity interact. I feel the fact I'm male is incidental. I don't think much would change in my perception of life if I wake up as a female. What I mean is, I don't feel like I have a strong gender component to my identity, other than what has been imparted on me by my physiology.
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of course-- because you choose to carve out your identity through different means. Everyone flocks to different ideals as a means of determining their identity. For many people in this world, gender composes a massive part of their identity. And as we see, what we consider to be gender is so because we chose to make it so.


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moevillini said:
and is this somehow connected to a Kardashian?
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Kris Kardashian/Jenner (Kim's mom) married Caitlyn (Bruce back then) after she divorced her first husband. She had a couple more children with her second husband. So Caitlyn is definitely a part of that family


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@Dal, so sex wise, he's still a he, right? That has nothing to do with gender identity right? So isn't hantlers still correct in saying he?
 
Howard said:
Hey man, I can choose to identify as a black woman, but that doesn't make me a black woman.
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"Black" is a comparative skin melanin content, so if you want to do that, you'd have to socialize with groups of individuals with much lighter skin than you and don't know or have seen anybody with significantly darker skin. Then you'd have to identify with being a woman. I'd say the former is a bit unreasonable.
 
Siro said:
And do masculinity and femininity stem from a physiological component? Or are they purely social constructs? Or is it a combination of the two? To what extent is gender a dynamic cultural phenomenon?

I don't have a good understanding of how gender and identity interact. I feel the fact I'm male is incidental. I don't think much would change in my perception of life if I wake up as a female. What I mean is, I don't feel like I have a strong gender component to my identity, other than what has been imparted on me by my physiology.
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Masculinity and femininity can have their base in physiology, but if you ask two people from two completely different cultures what fits a masculine and feminine profile, you're going to get two very different answers.

And if you ask two people in the same culture but across a different time period, you're going to get two different answers, as well, so the concept is very dynamic.
 
b_line said:
@Dal, so sex wise, he's still a he, right? That has nothing to do with gender identity right? So isn't hantlers still correct in saying he?
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Boats have no sex, yet boaters often refer to them using feminine pronouns and not the inanimate pronoun. Suggests gender has more influence on the use of gender pronouns than sex.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Boats have no sex, yet boaters often refer to them using feminine pronouns and not the inanimate pronoun. Suggests gender has more influence on the use of gender pronouns than sex.
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Not talking about gender, but sex. He is a boy as far as his sex is concerned, right?
 
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