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Can I just say that I'm sick and tired of the press [aka ESPN] calling out the Jazz for tanking?

MTS said:
I just can't imagine how stupid one would have to be to think that shutting down starters entirely isn't crossing a line, but shutting them down for roughly 12 min. below their season average is.

"At least we can pretend it's an injury in the former" is arguing that you have to be more egregious in order to be less egregious. Complete nonsense.
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The thing is... it's not like we are the first to do that either...
 
I'm fine with solutions that lower the impact of the draft so long as there are equal adjustments to FA or pre-agency. Like our path is already a bit uphill having to move guys because of the threat of losing them for nothing is tough.
 
GunterD said:
Heh, that is kind of a misleading title to that story though. Bam was bashing his own team, not the Jazz. "Can't even beat a team that's trying to lose".
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Yeah, headline misrepresents both what the thrust of the story was and what Bam actually said.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm fine with solutions that lower the impact of the draft so long as there are equal adjustments to FA or pre-agency. Like our path is already a bit uphill having to move guys because of the threat of losing them for nothing is tough.
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People want change for the sake of change. The reality is every solution would have unintended consequences. For example, lowering the odds for the worst teams makes it so they have harder time getting the best prospects and it keeps teams in the bottom for longer and it incentivizes them to tank longer and harder... this is especially true for teams that are traditionally not free agency destinations.
 
stitches said:
You know what they should do - they should name Keyonte and Lauri as injury replacements for the all-star game so they would have to force the Jazz to play them rather than sit them without excuse :D
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Lauri's already on the list of players who the league looks at, I believe. But yeah, putting Keyonte on there would tighten the screws on the Jazz a bit (not that Keyonte has sat out yet for questionable rest this season).
 
MTS said:
Only an idiot would interpret my post as me claiming the Jazz weren't trying to lose this game.

The point is, teams have been intentionally losing for decades, by shutting down their starters outright. Claiming it's more egregious to instead play them for part of the game is just a clown argument. Which is probably why you're making it.
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I don't make the rules on how people react to various forms of tanking. Clearly what we did really struck a nerve around the league, and not because it's the Utah Jazz and everybody hates us.

There's a big difference between kneecapping your team before a game or season (ugly as it is) and blatantly throwing a single game that's all but won. The latter cheapens the very basic idea of team sports.

When you roll out a ragtag roster of rookies, journeymen and end-of-benchers for tanking purposes, everyone knows what's going on, but there's still an element of "extreme underdogs fighting for their lives". An element of surprise. When the game starts, there's an understanding that the players on the court are allowed to control their own destinies without the meddling of higher-ups.

They're not expected to win, but if they by some miracle play well enough to do so, that HAS to be honored. Take that away and you have nothing left.

This type of tanking may not be pretty either, but it's a hell of a lot better than showing the world the strings of the puppeteer in the middle of a game.
 
This is what's pissing me off:

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The Jazz tanking is not messing around with the integrity of the NBA. It's tanking in general. Quit calling out the Jazz as if they are the only ones guilty of it.
Was it ok for OKC to do? The Warriors? The Spurs? The Sixers - trust the process? I mean c'mon, it's getting past a joke and quit using the Jazz as your punching bag just because you don't want to see them succeed like other teams already have... At least McMahon said that the current leaders in the league benefitted from tanking...
 
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