Can the Dante Exum Experiment Please End

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I already said he is too young. That has been covered.
Right now he is simply too injured.

It will be fun to read the excuses if he plays poorly in the future.

There is no excuse for healthy players, so please don't infer that I am offering any. I am perfectly fine with playing Exum as 3rd PG if he can't outperform players like Mack and Neto, so don't mistake me for an Exum homer, or some anti-Snyder propagandist.

What you and others are really trying to imply is that you don't accept injuries as factual phenomena unless they can be played through, and that performance must be satisfactory. All else is portrayed as unacceptable "softness". I'm sorry, but I can't even qualify that as any sort of passable rationale.

I think Jazzgazm gets it right above.

 

[LoPo]

But we didn't. If you think he is a player of value then your definition of value is way different than most people.
He gets dnp's when hill is healthy cause he can't get minutes over mack. I doubt we could get much of anything for him in a trade.
Could he have some value in the future? Sure. Right now though? Come on.

Also, you expect to have some value from a #5 pick.

I expect more from a #5 pick, but I'm not as disppointed enough to cry and want to dump him. Mack was a 4 year college starter on a contender and has years of NBA experience. He's a solid pro.

You know what? Exum is going to be a solid pro who is bigger and faster than most guys at his position. Appreciate that. Its not like we drafted Greg Oden, Robert Swift, Burke or many other busts through the years. The kid will be fine.

If you want to cry about Burks who isn't even playing and went before Leonard. Considering salary and what we passed on, that's worth the complaints. Exum was BPA at that point in the draft.

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[fishonjazz]

I expect more from a #5 pick, but I'm not as disppointed enough to cry and want to dump him. Mack was a 4 year college starter on a contender and has years of NBA experience. He's a solid pro.

You know what? Exum is going to be a solid pro who is bigger and faster than most guys at his position. Appreciate that. Its not like we drafted Greg Oden, Robert Swift, Burke or many other busts through the years. The kid will be fine.

If you want to cry about Burks who isn't even playing and went before Leonard. Considering salary and what we passed on, that's worth the complaints. Exum was BPA at that point in the draft.

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Lol. I'm actually one of the people who has always been saying that I think that exum should be playing ahead of mack. Also have said multiple times this season that he has impressed me with his improved aggressiveness driving at the hoop.
It would be dumb to trade him while he has no value.

We are just discussing his play so far in his career. I think it has been pretty poor overall.

 

[fishonjazz]

What you and others are really trying to imply is that you don't accept injuries as factual phenomena unless they can be played through, and that performance must be satisfactory.

You are WAY off on this one.
I'm one of the people who is always making excuses for why the jazz have not been as good as I think they should be. Using the injuries as the excuse.

Injuries are a very legit excuse for poor play. I just don't think that injuries are the reason for exum poor play.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

He is hurt, too young, too inexperienced, has too good of players playing his position, missed too much time, is in the wrong system, is playing the wrong role, coach doesn't like him, is having a hard time adapting to American culture.... I think that explains all his struggles. Can't have anything to do with his actual ability and talent because he is obviously a hall of fame type talent. That length! That speed!

Perhaps I misread you here. Apologies.

 

[fishonjazz]

Perhaps I misread you here. Apologies.

No worries.
I want him to do well. I think he should get playing time over mack. I thought he has been better this year than his rookie year. I don't only see negatives with exum. But if asked what I think of his career so far then I would say that it has been poor and I understand that he is young and hasn't been in an ideal situation..... but it is what it is.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

That sounds pretty fair.

Unfortunately, I think matters of personnel may relegate him to the bench for a few seasons. Perhaps he will be able to put it all together by his contract year.

 

[Nate505]

I'm still not too worried about him. He's made a major jump forward in being able to get to the bucket. I imagine finishing will just happen in time.

 

[BTP]

You are WAY off on this one.
I'm one of the people who is always making excuses for why the jazz have not been as good as I think they should be. Using the injuries as the excuse.

Injuries are a very legit excuse for poor play. I just don't think that injuries are the reason for exum poor play.

Right, no 5on5 action for 15 months is not a reason at all to be rusty. Especially when all numbers indicate that ppl who succeed despite an ACL tear require another year or two until they get back to being as impactful as they were before the ACL.

 

[fishonjazz]

Right 5on5 action for 15 months is not a reason at all to be rusty. Especially when all numbers indicate that ppl who succeed despite an ACL tear require another year or two until they get back to being as impactful as they were before the ACL.

The injury could be the reason for his poor play no doubt. Imo the reason for his poor play is because he is a poor player right now.
I'm fine if you think he would be playing great if not for his injuries though. I just feel differently that's all. It's all good.

 

[franklin]

It is comparing apples to oranges. There really isn't good historical data for an inexperienced player like Exum. Every player but Schroder had college ball experience and came into the league around age 21 or older. (Lowery was a few months shy of 21 and Thomas was almost 23). Schroder played professionally in Germany for two years before coming to the NBA. So yes, these players all had higher PER, but they also had a lot more experience coming in. Dante essentially played high school, took a year off outside of the Nike Hoop Summit, and was drafted by the Jazz. So prior to this season, and inexperienced player sat out two of three years and suffered a knee injury.

Dante had a slow start his rookie year, but slowly improved month to month. He played great D, especially for a rookie, and at the end of the season, his offense started to look better as he got more aggressive. He is very tentative, probably due to age and experience. Add a knee injury to an already tentative player, and it is going to take some time to get confidence back.

The other problem with PER is it largely tracks offensive efficiency, and does not give credit for defense other than blocks and steals. Clearly this does not favor Exum at this stage compared to the above players. Dante's Defense has been good IMO. His offense is what is struggling. It looks like the coaches had him change his shot this year. It looks very mechanical (worse than before IMO). He is probably overthinking every time he shoots.

So he may not pan out, but based on his experience and the knee injury, it is still way to early to tell. I still think he will turn into a good player.

In other words, becoming a friend of and practicing with Kobe Bryant did nothing. His year off focusing on getting stronger and bball fundamentals did nothing. His PER is as low as Jaamal Tinsley's last few years in Utah because he's inexperienced and young.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

So much stupid in this thread. Smfh.