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Can't Afford Sexual Reassignment?

One Brow said:
By it's very nature, clemency requires sympathy on the part of the person/group who can grant clemency. If the Army Clemency and Parole Board were in a culture were being transsexual created sympathy, Chelsea could get her treatments while in prison. In a military where rape is routinely dismissed, do you really think being transsexual will garner you sympathy?
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You may be right; but you never know. Considering everything that the prosecution stacked up against Manning, the Colonel who adjudicated his case was fairly lenient towards him and (rightfully) threw out the "aiding the enemy" charge which could have gotten him the death penalty.
 
BTP said:
I think this is an issue that should never get covered by medical insurance. If he can afford it himself they should allow him to do it and transfer him to a women's facility. There's way more important and crucial medical treatments not covered/supported by the government than gender specific identity issues.
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That's silly. Of course it should be covered, as long as it's not an elective surgery. I have a big bump in my nose from getting in a fight in 9th grade, and I have the weakest chin you've ever seen. I mean, my bottom lip practically falls into my chest. But guess what, if I wanted to get my health insurance to cover either of those they'd laugh in my face because they are cosmetic and thus, elective. Now that I have said that, as I've gotten older, I've picked up a pretty horrific snoring problem. I thought it was because I was 270lbs, so I got skinny-ish and it didn't help. In fact, it kept getting worse and worse. It started affecting my sleep, and thus, my daily routines were mired in sleepiness. I went to a sleep specialist, got hooked up to this weird machine, and slept at the Dr.'s office. They found that I had sever sleep apnea caused by my weak-*** chin collapsing into my throat, and my big old nose that was deformed from that fight was also to blame. I guess there are "things" up there that humidify the air going in, etc. and they were completely and permanently swollen/pushed back to where they were worthless. Now all of a sudden it's not elective, and my health insurance is paying for me to get fixed. (not doing the chin/jaw surgery -- I read about it and it is INSANELY nasty, the recovery is horrific, and they told me there is only a 50/50 chance it will do anything)

Just like depression and homosexuality, being transgendered isn't something you wake up one day and think, "You know what, I think I want to be a girl from now on." Are there people who actually do that? I'm sure there are, but most of the time it is something that you are born with, or that you develop as you get older. The brain is an amazing machine, but even the slightest altering of certain chemicals, or lack there of, can mean severe changes in behavior, looks, mood, etc. If a person feels like they need to get SRS, then they need to go through the same steps that any other person would have to go through in order to make sure that it isn't an elective surgery. If a therapist or doctor can sign off on your condition/treatment, then it needs to be covered by your health insurance.

Just my 2 pennies.
 
E.J. Wells said:
That's silly. Of course it should be covered, as long as it's not an elective surgery. I have a big bump in my nose from getting in a fight in 9th grade, and I have the weakest chin you've ever seen. I mean, my bottom lip practically falls into my chest. But guess what, if I wanted to get my health insurance to cover either of those they'd laugh in my face because they are cosmetic and thus, elective. Now that I have said that, as I've gotten older, I've picked up a pretty horrific snoring problem. I thought it was because I was 270lbs, so I got skinny-ish and it didn't help. In fact, it kept getting worse and worse. It started affecting my sleep, and thus, my daily routines were mired in sleepiness. I went to a sleep specialist, got hooked up to this weird machine, and slept at the Dr.'s office. They found that I had sever sleep apnea caused by my weak-*** chin collapsing into my throat, and my big old nose that was deformed from that fight was also to blame. I guess there are "things" up there that humidify the air going in, etc. and they were completely and permanently swollen/pushed back to where they were worthless. Now all of a sudden it's not elective, and my health insurance is paying for me to get fixed. (not doing the chin/jaw surgery -- I read about it and it is INSANELY nasty, the recovery is horrific, and they told me there is only a 50/50 chance it will do anything)

Just like depression and homosexuality, being transgendered isn't something you wake up one day and think, "You know what, I think I want to be a girl from now on." Are there people who actually do that? I'm sure there are, but most of the time it is something that you are born with, or that you develop as you get older. The brain is an amazing machine, but even the slightest altering of certain chemicals, or lack there of, can mean severe changes in behavior, looks, mood, etc. If a person feels like they need to get SRS, then they need to go through the same steps that any other person would have to go through in order to make sure that it isn't an elective surgery. If a therapist or doctor can sign off on your condition/treatment, then it needs to be covered by your health insurance.

Just my 2 pennies.
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Good write! One think striked me:
The brain is an amazing machine, but even the slightest altering of certain chemicals, or lack there of, can mean severe changes in behavior, looks, mood, etc. If a person feels like they need to get SRS, then they need to go through the same steps that any other person would have to go through in order to make sure that it isn't an elective surgery. If a therapist or doctor can sign off on your condition/treatment, then it needs to be covered by your health insurance.
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I totally agree with this. And you even pointed out, "altering of certain chemicals". I mean this doesn't happen normally, but if it happens it's a legit reason to undergo such a procedure if you find a biological reason for this to happen.

A lot of the inmates have issues they're dealing with," said the second official, who also was not authorized to speak publicly about Manning's case. "Even if you have gender identity disorder, you still serve your sentence."
That includes access -- like any other inmate -- to mental health professionals like psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers and behavioral expects, said Kimberly Lewis, a spokeswoman at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, where Manning will be held.
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This is from the article which states Chelsea's problem as one of psychological nature. I totally agree she's eligible to receive the mentioned treatments in the article, but I do not think that supporting a hormon treatment is the right way to deal with struggles of that nature as mentioned in my last statement and thus expenses should be covered by the patient the same way cosmetic surgeries for transgender cases should be a private investment.

I'll definately ask my dad what he thinks about transgender cases from a scientific standpoint next time I give him a call. I am also interested to get to know more about that topic.


Edit: The thing with your snoring sucks. I have a broken nose myself since I slipped with both hands loaded as a kid. While I don't believe I'm snoring other than when I catch a chill every now and then and don't really have the impression my sleep lacks quality, it lowers my performance in sports. I basically cannot breathe through my nose when I'm running. I also gathered intel about a nose correction, but came to the same conclusion you did. The risks are way too high with current surgical procedures.
 
Man, I've written and erased three long posts in this thread.

You're welcome.
 
BTP said:
I know there won't be a proper way of discussing such a topic with you without you giving thought-termininating cliché, so I'ma just say it out loud: you right bro!
Just ask yourself: If he didn't come to the world as a hermaphrodite and has a DNA that clearly states he's male and his outer and inner body functions(to sum up organs, what they produce and outer appearance) are working properly I look at it as a choice. If your body develops characteristics that put you at disadvantage I'm totally agreeing on such a procedure. If he has a disability causing to produce estrogen or whatever, he should get it paid.
And as a son of a psychological psychotherapist who shows interest in that field of research I would bet money there's childhood/youth issues in his past which can be connected to his gender identity crisis.
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The best researchers in the world have no idea what anyones "DNA clearly states" and neither do you. This whole dna fatalism bs really pisses me off anyway.
 
heyhey said:
The best researchers in the world have no idea what anyones "DNA clearly states" and neither do you. This whole dna fatalism bs really pisses me off anyway.
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You're not ready for the brave new world?
 
Gameface said:
You're not ready for the brave new world?
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Absolutely not.

For the record I think being gay(and by default)straight is a choice.

I also believe that making choices is what makes life precious and so someone choosing to be gay makes their emotions no less valid.
 
I don't always understand onebrow, but I can respect him. Dude has a lot of interesting opinions.
 
So, I have yet to weigh in on this, and I know you all have been waiting for me to say something. So here it is.


I think Trout and OneBrow should turn tricks to raise money for this sheman.

All jokes aside, I feel bad for people with these issues. I can't imagine how hard it must be go through it.
 
why arent people up in arms for maning and snowden.
because as long as yu belly is filled with junk you wont get off your buts and do something about the injustice

**** OBAMA, **** NSA, **** FBI.

**** THE WHOLE DISEASED CORRUPT SYSTEM
 
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