Capitalism is Devil's Dung

[Harambe]

lol

You're a ****in idiot. My whiteness has zero relevance to the cost of my degree or the loans I'm receiving. I don't get the white guy reduced tuition rate, dip ****.

Your inability to grasp what I actually said speaks for itself.

I'm an Arab, and I feel the same way as Alt. I came to the US on my own, penniless, and managed to earn an advanced degree entirely through grants and loans. Which was not a big deal in the least.

Good for you. I wish grants were an option for me, but pell grants weren't enough, my parents were not in any state to help me or house me, only because they had one more child was I allowed to stay on their insurance. Other grants I and my high school counselor were a joke at best(that's what the majority get).

I digress; if other countries not quite as good off as us can offer "free" tuition, why not us?
If almost all other developed countries in the world offer socialized medicine, why not us?

 

[Siro]

Your inability to grasp what I actually said speaks for itself.



Good for you. I wish grants were an option for me, but pell grants weren't enough, my parents were not in any state to help me or house me, only because they had one more child was I allowed to stay on their insurance. Other grants I and my high school counselor were a joke at best(that's what the majority get).

I digress; if other countries not quite as good off as us can offer "free" tuition, why not us?
If almost all other developed countries in the world offer socialized medicine, why not us?

I think the situation with healthcare is much worse than with higher ed and it desperately needs to be addressed. I never got the issue with higher ed. We got the best universities in the world, some of the lowest unemployment in the world for college graduates, and a pretty affordable financial assistance system. I worked part time at first, and full-time with the school as a graduate student. I ended up with something like 40k in debt, which I paid off in about 6 years. I can see you struggling to pay back your loans if you earn a liberal arts degree and end up with a 30k/year job. But at the end of the day, someone has to pay for it. In Europe, they pay for it with taxes. Would you be willing to pay higher taxes to provide universal higher ed for everyone? I personally would. But it really isn't anything compared to the healthcare system, which is pretty ****ed (not in the quality of care, but in its affordability).

 

[Harambe]

I think the situation with healthcare if much worse than with higher ed and it desperately needs to be addressed. I never got the issue with higher ed. We got the best universities in the world, some of the lowest unemployment in the world for college graduates, and a pretty affordable financial assistance system. I worked part time at first, and full-time with the school as a graduate student. I ended up with something like 40k in debt, which I paid off in about 6 years. I can see you struggling to pay back your loans if you earn a liberal arts degree and end up with a 30k/year job. But at the end of the day, someone has to pay for it. In Europe, they pay for it with taxes. Would you be willing to pay higher taxes to provide universal higher ed for everyone? I personally would. But it really isn't anything compared to the healthcare system, which is pretty ****ed (not in the quality of care, but in its affordability).

For young college graduates, the unemployment rate is currently 8.5 percent (compared with 5.5 percent in 2007), and the underemployment rate is 16.8 percent (compared with 9.6 percent in 2007).

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2014#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

A large amount of US schools, but an argument could be made that any of those schools are great.

Where the 30k/year thing goes, there's teachers out there that would love that. No, underwater basket weaving shouldn't be your Masters thesis, but how does, say, a teacher pay off 40k in debt in 6 years? Or a police officer who studied criminal justice? Social worker? Parks and Rec?

All needed jobs in our society. College degree required if not heavily preferred. All paid crap.

 

[Miggs]

What he actually said was unfettered pursuit of money. I suppose that's really just semantics but that's not the point. I support capitalism but can any of us really say with a straight face that there isn't a problem with the distribution of wealth in our country, the good ol' U-S of A?

 

[Deleted member 848]

As someone who understands economics, you should realize the reason "progressive reforms" are being reversed. Living standards are high enough that the "market" no longer requires the checks that unions once helped build, and eventually went way to far with.

People will always bitch and moan about their "poor" living standards. When living standards are actually bad we will actually do something about it.

Lol

 

[Deleted member 848]

lol

You're a ****in idiot. My whiteness has zero relevance to the cost of my degree or the loans I'm receiving. I don't get the white guy reduced tuition rate, dip ****.

Aaaaaaaand you completely missed his point.

 

[Deleted member 848]

While a moral philosopher of some repute, I'd wager that Jesus would be a pretty lousy economist. Railing against money sellers is all fine and stuff, but coming uup with a method for allocating resources efficiently and setting up fair rules of exchange and property ownership that incentivize risk taking and investment, etc. are a bit more difficult, I'd venture to say.

A very difficult task indeed-- I was just drawing the parallel between the current pope, and Jesus the historical figure. An inconvenient truth for the typical American who conflates his Christianity with his capitalist worldview.

 

[Gameface]

A very difficult task indeed-- I was just drawing the parallel between the current pope, and Jesus the historical figure. An inconvenient truth for the typical American who conflates his Christianity with his capitalist worldview.

And on that I agree with you. I wonder, honestly, which has greater pull.

I'm sure I know what the Christian would say, I'm much less certain what the truth of it is.

 

[franklin]

"Thread: Capitalism is Devil's Dung
I still love you Frankie. Alt, not so much, but you're still great in my book mang. Read the rest of the post.. society is really is doing something about it."

Fine.

What alternate universe do you dwell in? Raising minimum wage? Big ****ing whoop. 4% of wage earners in the United States of A. Or in other words, less than the amount of teens working. Congrats on all those rich kids getting a raise at the burger joint. Go read the stats on who this benefits, son. By-and-large children of the rich. So congrats on that transfer of wealth and patting yourself on the back feeling all good about hurting some poor working and helping some working rich. But is minimum wage such a big deal in society? No, it's nothing more than a talking point for you and your ideological ilk. If it were an actual problem then society would respond much more forcefully.


If you wanted to make an example you would have brought up Obamacare. You do realize that was all about rich white America? Paying way too damn much to live way too long and to cover a bunch of uninsured deadbeat dads and rich white people who would rather take their chance than pay now and then hope society covers them in the event of catastrophe (which we do). The voting block didn't vote for universal healthcare. We already had that. They voted for what would potentially lower there out of pocket costs. So yeah, they flocking to this n that, but at the end of the day the results of all this populist propaganda you spit is nothing more than a benefit to rich white America. This system did nothing more than add billions in revenue into the healthcare lobby's pockets. Don't believe me? Look up a chart of Humana and the other H.C. stocks charted along the S&P500. I told y'all years ago this would happen and look what range true.


What a poli-sci armchair hack failure and complete distortion of the voters and what is actually going on in rich America. Find out why Florida is so important to the presidential vote and get a clue. Guess what, it's not Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

Good for you. I wish grants were an option for me, but pell grants weren't enough, my parents were not in any state to help me or house me, only because they had one more child was I allowed to stay on their insurance. Other grants I and my high school counselor were a joke at best(that's what the majority get).

I digress; if other countries not quite as good off as us can offer "free" tuition, why not us?
If almost all other developed countries in the world offer socialized medicine, why not us?

While I'm at it, how old are you? Do you always cry this hard? Man the **** up for once and take charge of your destiny like the rest of us do. Do you have kids to feed while trying to achieve like many do? Have you had some debilitating accident keeping you from being a man? All you seem to do is cry up the board about every injustice American society is doing to you. Meanwhile, the rest of us are keepin on keeping on and doing what it takes to make the world go round. We're working hard enough, we don't need to drag your *** along as well.

What the hell isn't your excuse? No free college, no free medical, no free groceries? Go hold a sign on a street corner. It's where your attitude belongs.

 

[Jamezz]

The problem here is that we currently don't live in a Capitalism, so what Pope says is utter nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 848]

"Thread: Capitalism is Devil's Dung
I still love you Frankie. Alt, not so much, but you're still great in my book mang. Read the rest of the post.. society is really is doing something about it."

Fine.

What alternate universe do you dwell in? Raising minimum wage? Big ****ing whoop. 4% of wage earners in the United States of A. Or in other words, less than the amount of teens working. Congrats on all those rich kids getting a raise at the burger joint. Go read the stats on who this benefits, son. By-and-large children of the rich. So congrats on that transfer of wealth and patting yourself on the back feeling all good about hurting some poor working and helping some working rich. But is minimum wage such a big deal in society? No, it's nothing more than a talking point for you and your ideological ilk. If it were an actual problem then society would respond much more forcefully.


If you wanted to make an example you would have brought up Obamacare. You do realize that was all about rich white America? Paying way too damn much to live way too long and to cover a bunch of uninsured deadbeat dads and rich white people who would rather take their chance than pay now and then hope society covers them in the event of catastrophe (which we do). The voting block didn't vote for universal healthcare. We already had that. They voted for what would potentially lower there out of pocket costs. So yeah, they flocking to this n that, but at the end of the day the results of all this populist propaganda you spit is nothing more than a benefit to rich white America. This system did nothing more than add billions in revenue into the healthcare lobby's pockets. Don't believe me? Look up a chart of Humana and the other H.C. stocks charted along the S&P500. I told y'all years ago this would happen and look what range true.


What a poli-sci armchair hack failure and complete distortion of the voters and what is actually going on in rich America. Find out why Florida is so important to the presidential vote and get a clue. Guess what, it's not Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.





While I'm at it, how old are you? Do you always cry this hard? Man the **** up for once and take charge of your destiny like the rest of us do. Do you have kids to feed while trying to achieve like many do? Have you had some debilitating accident keeping you from being a man? All you seem to do is cry up the board about every injustice American society is doing to you. Meanwhile, the rest of us are keepin on keeping on and doing what it takes to make the world go round. We're working hard enough, we don't need to drag your *** along as well.

What the hell isn't your excuse? No free college, no free medical, no free groceries? Go hold a sign on a street corner. It's where your attitude belongs.

America-- where every glaring flaw in their political system is responded with: "How old are you? Do you always cry this hard? Man the **** up for once and take charge of your destiny like the rest of us do.". Has franklin lost the ability to respond to posters non-derisively?

Also cute seeing franklin imply that America is distancing itself from progressive policies, when the ACA is easily one of the most socialistic legislations in American history.

 

[franklin]

America-- where every glaring flaw in their political system is responded with: "How old are you? Do you always cry this hard? Man the **** up for once and take charge of your destiny like the rest of us do.". Has franklin lost the ability to respond to posters non-derisively?

Also cute seeing franklin imply that America is distancing itself from progressive policies, when the ACA is easily one of the most socialistic legislations in American history.

One of the most laughably naive statements you've made.

You're as predictable as an American politician: if I say it you're automatically against it and vice versa. No need for nuance or discussion, right Dalamaintnuthin?

 

[Deleted member 848]

One of the most laughably naive statements you've made.

You're as predictable as an American politician: if I say it you're automatically against it and vice versa. No need for nuance or discussion, right Dalamaintnuthin?

I've given up. It's impossible to have a nuanced, factually-supported conversation with you. I mean this thread serves as proof-- do you ever make statements that have citations next to them? You make generalization after generalization, with zero justification behind any of your claims. That's bad enough-- but then you double down with this holier-than-thou condescending, paternalistic tone. Your communication skills as of late are about as good as a shovel's. You don't discuss to learn, or to challenge. You post here in GD political threads mostly to insult.

 

[franklin]

I've given up. It's impossible to have a nuanced, factually-supported conversation with you. I mean this thread serves as proof-- do you ever make statements that have citations next to them? You make generalization after generalization, with zero justification behind any of your claims. That's bad enough-- but then you double down with this holier-than-thou condescending, paternalistic tone. Your communication skills as of late are about as good as a shovel's. You don't discuss to learn, or to challenge. You post here in GD political threads mostly to insult.

Your issue is that I don't cite everything? You've complained about that enough. It's not my problem you don't know what you're talking about 99% of the time and need references to things that are taken as common knowledge by those educated in a subject. What, you want me to reference 4% of wage earners are minimum wage? No thanks, kiddo. Or the plethora of studies on who benefits from minimum wage hikes? Go read it for yourself. Or is that asking way too much for a spoiled kid who begs everyone else to pay for everything for him?

 

[Jamezz]

In a true capitalistic society banks would have been allowed to fail, just like any other private business. In this society we live in banks have the government at their mercy, they issue the money and inject it into the system lending it to the government, which of course has to be paid back with interests. It's a downward spiral that needs to stop as soon as possible. End the Fed.

I still can't get around the idea that we let Ron Paul go, a modern version of one of our Founding Fathers, we get what we deserve.

 

[♪alt13]

Your inability to grasp what I actually said speaks for itself.



Good for you. I wish grants were an option for me, but pell grants weren't enough, my parents were not in any state to help me or house me, only because they had one more child was I allowed to stay on their insurance. Other grants I and my high school counselor were a joke at best(that's what the majority get).

I digress; if other countries not quite as good off as us can offer "free" tuition, why not us?
If almost all other developed countries in the world offer socialized medicine, why not us?

Aaaaaaaand you completely missed his point.

1)Forgive me for thinking when ElRoacho threw race out there that he was trying to play the race card when it wasn't relevant. It's kinda how this board operates.

2) IF the point is that I'm in the minority of people to have access to affordable education again roach is wrong. I attend the largest college in Utah by number of students. Full time Tuition is $1800 a semester. That is $7,200 for 2 years. After I transfer to a 4 year institution my tuition should raise by about $1000 a semester. The entire 4 years tuition will be less than my Corrola was brand new. This is not the minority experience, at least in Utah, this is typical.

3)I have 2 children and am going to school on loans. My sister has 2 children and is going to school on loans. MY brother has 1 child and just graduated on loans. Tuition at public colleges and Universities is already heavily subsidized by the states. I think it's fair for me to pay a portion of an education that is going to benefit me more than anyone else. Grants are not the only option for funding college. If roach wants to go he can.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Your issue is that I don't cite everything? You've complained about that enough. It's not my problem you don't know what you're talking about 99% of the time and need references to things that are taken as common knowledge by those educated in a subject. What, you want me to reference 4% of wage earners are minimum wage? No thanks, kiddo. Or the plethora of studies on who benefits from minimum wage hikes? Go read it for yourself. Or is that asking way too much for a spoiled kid who begs everyone else to pay for everything for him?

Your posts certainly make assertions that are outside 'common knowledge', and so they will generally be ignored by any poster with a shred of intelligence unless you post support behind your claims. My issue isn't that you don't cite everything-- it's that you don't cite anything-- particularly problematic when you carry such strong, black-and-white stances on these issues.

The onus is on you to elevate your posts past what they are right now-- which is meaningless at best, troll-bait at worst.

 

[Harambe]

"Thread: Capitalism is Devil's Dung
I still love you Frankie. Alt, not so much, but you're still great in my book mang. Read the rest of the post.. society is really is doing something about it."

Fine.

What alternate universe do you dwell in? Raising minimum wage? Big ****ing whoop. 4% of wage earners in the United States of A. Or in other words, less than the amount of teens working. Congrats on all those rich kids getting a raise at the burger joint. Go read the stats on who this benefits, son. By-and-large children of the rich. So congrats on that transfer of wealth and patting yourself on the back feeling all good about hurting some poor working and helping some working rich. But is minimum wage such a big deal in society? No, it's nothing more than a talking point for you and your ideological ilk. If it were an actual problem then society would respond much more forcefully.


If you wanted to make an example you would have brought up Obamacare. You do realize that was all about rich white America? Paying way too damn much to live way too long and to cover a bunch of uninsured deadbeat dads and rich white people who would rather take their chance than pay now and then hope society covers them in the event of catastrophe (which we do). The voting block didn't vote for universal healthcare. We already had that. They voted for what would potentially lower there out of pocket costs. So yeah, they flocking to this n that, but at the end of the day the results of all this populist propaganda you spit is nothing more than a benefit to rich white America. This system did nothing more than add billions in revenue into the healthcare lobby's pockets. Don't believe me? Look up a chart of Humana and the other H.C. stocks charted along the S&P500. I told y'all years ago this would happen and look what range true.


What a poli-sci armchair hack failure and complete distortion of the voters and what is actually going on in rich America. Find out why Florida is so important to the presidential vote and get a clue. Guess what, it's not Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.





While I'm at it, how old are you? Do you always cry this hard? Man the **** up for once and take charge of your destiny like the rest of us do. Do you have kids to feed while trying to achieve like many do? Have you had some debilitating accident keeping you from being a man? All you seem to do is cry up the board about every injustice American society is doing to you. Meanwhile, the rest of us are keepin on keeping on and doing what it takes to make the world go round. We're working hard enough, we don't need to drag your *** along as well.

What the hell isn't your excuse? No free college, no free medical, no free groceries? Go hold a sign on a street corner. It's where your attitude belongs.

Nickel, please. I'm 32, didn't go to college, and make plenty of money. I've survived by the skin of my teeth at times, but made it to at least a reasonable amount of success. At my job Doctors, both Ph.D and MD speak my in reverence knowing full well I don't have a degree. I work my butt off, and they reap the benefits of having me around. They market studies that get published, and can then charge more for their services. The warning systems and alerts I set up benefit them, and our patient's safety.

I don't need to go to college, as I'm proof that if you work hard enough at an institution managers will bend over backwards to flex around HR rules to get you hired. I still support reform. I don't need Obamacare, as my job provides me great insurance. I still support it. I took charge of my life; did damn well. And yet I recognize need for these things.

 

[Jamezz]

Nickel, please. I'm 32, didn't go to college, and make plenty of money. I've survived by the skin of my teeth at times, but made it to at least a reasonable amount of success. At my job Doctors, both Ph.D and MD speak my in reverence knowing full well I don't have a degree. I work my butt off, and they reap the benefits of having me around. They market studies that get published, and can then charge more for their services. The warning systems and alerts I set up benefit them, and our patient's safety.

I don't need to go to college, as I'm proof that if you work hard enough at an institution managers will bend over backwards to flex around HR rules to get you hired. I still support reform. I don't need Obamacare, as my job provides me great insurance. I still support it. I took charge of my life; did damn well. And yet I recognize need for these things.

At least have the decency of not calling it Obamacare, what a disgraceful name. As if I expect Obama to care about me as much as he cares about the hundreds of children that have died in the Middle East thanks to his foreign policy. For goodness sake...

 

[franklin]

Nickel, please. I'm 32, didn't go to college, and make plenty of money. I've survived by the skin of my teeth at times, but made it to at least a reasonable amount of success. At my job Doctors, both Ph.D and MD speak my in reverence knowing full well I don't have a degree. I work my butt off, and they reap the benefits of having me around. They market studies that get published, and can then charge more for their services. The warning systems and alerts I set up benefit them, and our patient's safety.

I don't need to go to college, as I'm proof that if you work hard enough at an institution managers will bend over backwards to flex around HR rules to get you hired. I still support reform. I don't need Obamacare, as my job provides me great insurance. I still support it. I took charge of my life; did damn well. And yet I recognize need for these things.

Literally everyone supports reform in one form or another according to their worldview no matter how rational or irrational.

The thing I don't get is you didn't go to school and several here have said going to school is plenty affordable, yet you continue complaining for 'reform' in school funding because it is not currently affordable??? Makes no sense. Then again, you did say you were pulling over your trollmobile so foolish on me for chiming in. Then you repped me asking for me to read and I got sucked in to you and your twin brother dalamaintnuthin's admitted trolling. Well done guys.