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Chris-L said:
the new 15's are excellent. 3 rows, AWD, they have a turbo model. great MPG and start in the low $20k's. I've driven them to cali and back a few times, if i was gonna buy a new SUV it would be that one.
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What kind of mpg?
 
Buy yourselves a ****ing wagon and call it a day, unless you literally have a wife & 5 children. This whole market-fascination with SUVs perplexes & infuriates me.
 
dalamon said:
Buy yourselves a ****ing wagon and call it a day, unless you literally have a wife & 5 children. This whole market-fascination with SUVs perplexes & infuriates me.
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I currently drive a 2009 jetta tdi wagon. Gonna have a second kid, and it makes it hard to take any kids friends or our friends in a wagon. I am all about wagons though. I have driven a wagon pretty much my entire driving life.

Here's the thing though, if the Kia gets 25, that's just as good as a subaru, which doesn't have a third row.
 
dalamon said:
Buy yourselves a ****ing wagon and call it a day, unless you literally have a wife & 5 children. This whole market-fascination with SUVs perplexes & infuriates me.
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I can't tow much with a wagon. Some suv's I can. Plus suv's are nicer family vehicles than wagons.
 
b_line said:
I currently drive a 2009 jetta tdi wagon. Gonna have a second kid, and it makes it hard to take any kids friends or our friends in a wagon. I am all about wagons though. I have driven a wagon pretty much my entire driving life.
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You're honestly in the strong minority. Maybe it's because I live in Alberta-- but easily 40-50% of the vehicles I see everyday are 24 year olds commuting in SUVs. Irks me intensely.

Here's the thing though, if the Kia gets 25, that's just as good as a subaru, which doesn't have a third row.
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That's a good point. I mean I'm all for SUVs if they serve practical uses-- a necessity for a third row of seats can't really be worked around. It's the ppl who are like "I wanna feel like I'm drivin high off the pavement" that piss me off. More of a pet peeve.


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Howard said:
I can't tow much with a wagon. Some suv's I can. Plus suv's are nicer family vehicles than wagons.
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Road-tripping in cars that are lower to the ground is much more family friendly.

My family did 7000kms of driving last summer in a 4dr Peugeot 508 wagon with a 2.2l Diesel engine. 50, 43, 23, 21, and a 13 year old. Fit perfectly fine, along with six-weeks worth of luggage.


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dalamon said:
You're honestly in the strong minority. Maybe it's because I live in Alberta-- but easily 40-50% of the vehicles I see everyday are 24 year olds commuting in SUVs. Irks me intensely.



That's a good point. I mean I'm all for SUVs if they serve practical uses-- a necessity for a third row of seats can't really be worked around. It's the ppl who are like "I wanna feel like I'm drivin high off the pavement" that piss me off. More of a pet peeve.


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I think Edmongton is just a few years behind. The western US was stuck in SUVs for a long time. Lots of people drive smaller cars here now, or small trucks like Tacomas.
 
b_line said:
I think Edmongton is just a few years behind. The western US was stuck in SUVs for a long time. Lots of people drive smaller cars here now, or small trucks like Tacomas.
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We always are. Ugh.

I literally hate all SUVs, save for the 100% off-road ones (Mercedes G, Land-Cruiser, Defender, etc.)


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dalamon said:
Road-tripping in cars that are lower to the ground is much more family friendly.

My family did 7000kms of driving last summer in a 4dr Peugeot 508 wagon with a 2.2l Diesel engine. 50, 43, 23, 21, and a 13 year old. Fit perfectly fine, along with six-weeks worth of luggage.


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They have puegot in Canada? Or was that on your Europe trip? I love me some diesel cars. Kind of obsessed with them.
 
b_line said:
They have puegot in Canada? Or was that on your Europe trip? I love me some diesel cars. Kind of obsessed with them.
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Trip to Europe. Europe is so ahead with their wagon prevalence. Drove like a dream, but had some weird electrical-glitches.


The notion of not being able to tow with them is overrated-- my dad rowed trailers with our 1.9l TDI '97 VW Passat when I was a kid. That Passat is awesome-- 1200-1300km on a 70L fill-up.


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dalamon said:
Trip to Europe. Europe is so ahead with their wagon prevalence. Drove like a dream, but had some weird electrical-glitches.


The notion of not being able to tow with them is overrated-- my dad rowed trailers with our 1.9l TDI '97 VW Passat when I was a kid. That Passat is awesome-- 1200-1300km on a 70L fill-up.


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no doubt you can tow with a diesel. It's not about the pulling power, there is plenty of that. The problem is the brakes and suspension. The wagons and passenger cars are only rated to tow about 1500 pounds which is pretty insignificant. If you really want to tow anything even moderately heavy, you need the suspension and braking power that SUVs and trucks come with.
 
b_line said:
no doubt you can tow with a diesel. It's not about the pulling power, there is plenty of that. The problem is the brakes and suspension. The wagons and passenger cars are only rated to tow about 1500 pounds which is pretty insignificant. If you really want to tow anything even moderately heavy, you need the suspension and braking power that SUVs and trucks come with.
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Yup. If I'm going with my camper or boat (which isn't even heavy), I'm screwed going downhill with a smaller vehicle. And considering I live in a fairly mountainous area, there's a decent amount of downhill passes.

Wagons work for some people, I would prefer more room than that. People who obsess over what others drive are weird to me. I don't get pissed off when I see a tiny Prius or a jacked up dodge...it's just somebody's preference.
 
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Test drove this. It was fun and zippy and surprisingly more roomy than I expected. Could even fit the 4 of us for short trips, even with my nearly 6'4" son riding shotgun. Thinking about buying one. Still looking at Skoda's though. They pack a ton of tech into a comfy and affordable package. Like this one:

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LogGrad98 said:
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Test drove this. It was fun and zippy and surprisingly more roomy than I expected. Could even fit the 4 of us for short trips, even with my nearly 6'4" son riding shotgun. Thinking about buying one. Still looking at Skoda's though. They pack a ton of tech into a comfy and affordable package. Like this one:

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I like them both. Buy both and send me the other one.
 
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