DutchJazzer
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not worth it.
maybe a 3 way trade with a 3rd team swapping picks get a top 5 pick
Cavs will listen to offers for the 1st pick
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not worth it.
maybe a 3 way trade with a 3rd team swapping picks get a top 5 pick
Game6Conley
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DutchJazzer
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Lots of dumb people who want to trade Hayward..... Why!!!! And the idiots that want to trade him or any c4 guy for the right to pick a backup big on our roster is idiotic at best.
As far as leadership goes.... None and I mean none of the c4 were put in any position to be leaders on this team. As Al was the unquestioned leader of the team. More then a few times during the year we all saw Hayward bark at Al for a missed defensive assignment lazy play or just plain bad team offense, and it didn't faze him in the least, because he new Ty was behind him 1000%. At times Hayward was the third or fourth option behind Al, Millsap, and Mo. Favors was way behind Al, and Millsap in minutes and pecking order. Burks had to work himself into the rotation the first half of the year, and Kanter had no business trying to lead playing 10-13 minutes a game.
With Al and Millsap gone I see Hayward coming out of his shell more and more, and see his offense being more consistent in an offense that is less iso, again with Al and Sap gone. Also see Kanter stepping up big as a leader. I am less confident in Favors and Burks.
As far as leadership goes.... None and I mean none of the c4 were put in any position to be leaders on this team. As Al was the unquestioned leader of the team. More then a few times during the year we all saw Hayward bark at Al for a missed defensive assignment lazy play or just plain bad team offense, and it didn't faze him in the least, because he new Ty was behind him 1000%. At times Hayward was the third or fourth option behind Al, Millsap, and Mo. Favors was way behind Al, and Millsap in minutes and pecking order. Burks had to work himself into the rotation the first half of the year, and Kanter had no business trying to lead playing 10-13 minutes a game.
With Al and Millsap gone I see Hayward coming out of his shell more and more, and see his offense being more consistent in an offense that is less iso, again with Al and Sap gone. Also see Kanter stepping up big as a leader. I am less confident in Favors and Burks.
Pretty well sums it up for me too.
It seems to me that some of you are have too low of a value of Hayward.
He's not only a glue guy for the team, I actually see him having a breakout year this year as long as the "vets" are gone and Corbin doesn't stop him.
I've seen him improve year to year and it's not all in statistical categories. I think he works very well with Favors, as well as Kanter. I think he will get the job done as a/the team leader this coming year.
I would not trade him away for a draft pick, or even a rookie... especially this year. You might be able to talk me into it next year as there seems to be some pretty good team changing players next year if all works out the way we think it might.
I don't think we've seen enough of Favors, Kanter, Burks, and to a lesser extend Hayward when the game is theirs they get the minutes, and they are it in many end game scenarios. I want to see it this year, just as much as we all really wanted to see it this year and didn't. If Corbin feels he has to play the vets.... the front office better make sure there are no vets if they are sticking with Corbin.
We need to get a pg or 2 in the draft and hope one of them works out... I'm just not seeing one that really stands out in all ways for me. I see things I like in Schroeder, Burke, and that white kid from the Dakota's... but I'm unsure on any of the rest. Good thing I'm not in charge of the draft.
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He's not only a glue guy for the team, I actually see him having a breakout year this year as long as the "vets" are gone and Corbin doesn't stop him.
I've seen him improve year to year and it's not all in statistical categories. I think he works very well with Favors, as well as Kanter. I think he will get the job done as a/the team leader this coming year.
I would not trade him away for a draft pick, or even a rookie... especially this year. You might be able to talk me into it next year as there seems to be some pretty good team changing players next year if all works out the way we think it might.
I don't think we've seen enough of Favors, Kanter, Burks, and to a lesser extend Hayward when the game is theirs they get the minutes, and they are it in many end game scenarios. I want to see it this year, just as much as we all really wanted to see it this year and didn't. If Corbin feels he has to play the vets.... the front office better make sure there are no vets if they are sticking with Corbin.
We need to get a pg or 2 in the draft and hope one of them works out... I'm just not seeing one that really stands out in all ways for me. I see things I like in Schroeder, Burke, and that white kid from the Dakota's... but I'm unsure on any of the rest. Good thing I'm not in charge of the draft.
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I still like Burks too much for this, and think we would regret it unless McCollum was an All Star. I could have too high a value on Burks... probably too much punch.
green
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Gordon Hayward's third year stats:
29 mins, 44% fg, 42% 3pt, 82% ft, 3 rebs, 3 assists, 14 pts
29 mins, 47% fg, 37% 3pt, 80% ft, 4 rebs, 4 assists, 16 pts - Manu Ginobili playing with Duncan, Parker, etc.
To give up on Hayward now, is crazy. The guy has potential to be very, very good, and if you can get to the point where he is your third best player, you will be AMAZING and competing for titles. He is cheap and very productive. He is probably the most untouchable guy on the team.
29 mins, 44% fg, 42% 3pt, 82% ft, 3 rebs, 3 assists, 14 pts
29 mins, 47% fg, 37% 3pt, 80% ft, 4 rebs, 4 assists, 16 pts - Manu Ginobili playing with Duncan, Parker, etc.
To give up on Hayward now, is crazy. The guy has potential to be very, very good, and if you can get to the point where he is your third best player, you will be AMAZING and competing for titles. He is cheap and very productive. He is probably the most untouchable guy on the team.
Jazz4ever
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I do it because Burks and Hayward are both best at SG. When playing together they will never be as good as the sum of their parts, one will always be playing a little out of position.
Game6Conley
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Gordon Hayward is not clutch.
Zach Randolph is not clutch.
when the spurs play these players, they rush, and do terrible.
Gordon Hayward scored 29 points on 6-33 shooting, in 122minutes of playoff basketball.
call me an *******, but ive seen enough.
some of you guys talk about this guy like hes Derek Jeter.
derek jeter wins RoY and the championship as a rookie and scores
Gordon Hayward plays tennis, and video games.
I PREFER SHABAZZ
Zach Randolph is not clutch.
when the spurs play these players, they rush, and do terrible.
Gordon Hayward scored 29 points on 6-33 shooting, in 122minutes of playoff basketball.
call me an *******, but ive seen enough.
some of you guys talk about this guy like hes Derek Jeter.
derek jeter wins RoY and the championship as a rookie and scores
Gordon Hayward plays tennis, and video games.
I PREFER SHABAZZ
Zulu
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Burks college stats:
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2010-11 38 31.4 20.5 46.9 29.2 82.5 2.9 6.5 0.3 1.1
2009-10 30 30.2 17.1 53.7 35.2 77.2 1.8 5.0 0.4 1.2
Oladipo college stats:
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2012-13 36 28.4 13.6 59.9 44.1 74.6 2.1 6.3 0.8 2.2
2011-12 36 26.7 10.8 47.1 20.8 75.0 2.0 5.3 0.6 1.4
2010-11 32 18.0 7.4 54.7 30.8 61.2 0.9 3.7 0.2
Game6Conley
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i think its worth noting that Oladipo played for the #1 offense in the nation, with several 5 star recruits and burks played for... colorado, where he played SF/SG... when he is more of a deron type of skillset
b_line
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Gordon Hayward is not clutch.
Zach Randolph is not clutch.
when the spurs play these players, they rush, and do terrible.
Gordon Hayward scored 29 points on 6-33 shooting, in 122minutes of playoff basketball.
call me an *******, but ive seen enough.
some of you guys talk about this guy like hes Derek Jeter.
derek jeter wins RoY and the championship as a rookie and scores
Gordon Hayward plays tennis, and video games.
I PREFER SHABAZZ
Didn't know that Hayward or Randolph played on the Spurs...
Does Hayward play baseball now? I thought he was a wide receiver?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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If he hits those numbers he will be in the Allstar game as a reserve.
Gordon Hayward is not clutch.
Zach Randolph is not clutch.
when the spurs play these players, they rush, and do terrible.
Gordon Hayward scored 29 points on 6-33 shooting, in 122minutes of playoff basketball.
call me an *******, but ive seen enough.
some of you guys talk about this guy like hes Derek Jeter.
derek jeter wins RoY and the championship as a rookie and scores
Gordon Hayward plays tennis, and video games.
I PREFER SHABAZZ
Mods need to step in. Either your the biggest dumbass on jazzfanz or your one ugly *** troll, I'm guessing no one is that dumb. This is trolling.
Gordon Hayward is not clutch.
Zach Randolph is not clutch.
when the spurs play these players, they rush, and do terrible.
Gordon Hayward scored 29 points on 6-33 shooting, in 122minutes of playoff basketball.
call me an *******, but ive seen enough.
some of you guys talk about this guy like hes Derek Jeter.
derek jeter wins RoY and the championship as a rookie and scores
Gordon Hayward plays tennis, and video games.
I PREFER SHABAZZ
I do like Beal.