CBA Negotiations
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Not yet it seems, though this part was just written a couple days ago so I'm hoping the next parts are churned out soon. It was quite a good read.
I don't know how I'm going to survive as a hermit if both the NFL and NBA go away next year.
billyshelby
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This seems to be Coon's take so far. The teams losing money have little to gain compromising, and I think he's gone on to say they'll lose next to no money in a lockout. My guess is that's based on the assumption the NBAPA is dug in and won't back down. Since the owners ultimately have the leverage, I'm hoping Hunter is trying to find a political way to save face in inevitable defeat. On the plus side, those teams that are willing to lockout would also like to see some profits. When it's in everyone's interest to play, there's hope creativity in solutions will pave the road.
One solution I see might be to shorten the CBA agreement. Normally it's 5 or 6 years (can't remember.) A lot of general industry/municipal CBA's are only 3 years. It's more of a pain in the ***, but shorter terms alleviates concerns about being boxed in to a bad deal. The players might be more likely to accept more restrictive terms so long as there was promise (legally binding, of course) to reevaluate finances after 3 years (and likely with contingencies that certain provisions were reinstated if specified financial markers were met.)
gregbroncs
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I have said it before and this article confirms it for me. The NBA lockout is going to be long and ugly. The player's are not going to like losing money the small market teams want a hard cap and the big market teams want their built in competitive advantages maintained. The owners can't even agree with want they want and the players will never agree on what they want. How are they suposed to come to an agreement when the 2 sides are not even in agreement within their respective sides?
As a fan. I want the NBA fixed. The advantage big market teams have is bull ****. A hard cap and full revenue sharing is the only possible way to solve those problems. Along with that non or partially guaranteed contracts will have to be in effect in some way for a hard cap to work.
The biggest reason the NFL is the best game in the USA is because at the beginning of the season every team feels that they have a shot. They have a good reason to feel that way as teams come out of nowhere to make a push almost every year.
The NBA needs their fans and their franchises to believe this or the league is going to lose revenue and further hurt the profits of every franchise.
As a fan. I want the NBA fixed. The advantage big market teams have is bull ****. A hard cap and full revenue sharing is the only possible way to solve those problems. Along with that non or partially guaranteed contracts will have to be in effect in some way for a hard cap to work.
The biggest reason the NFL is the best game in the USA is because at the beginning of the season every team feels that they have a shot. They have a good reason to feel that way as teams come out of nowhere to make a push almost every year.
The NBA needs their fans and their franchises to believe this or the league is going to lose revenue and further hurt the profits of every franchise.
vslice02
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Agree. And just like in 1999 - Stern & the owners will ultimately be viewed as the 'winners.'
green
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I'll give up a year for a hard cap. Give me socialism in sports and nothing else. 
Without a hard cap Utah will always be a 3-6 seed and a second rounder loser.
Also, I don't think a hard cap would send players overseas. Their salaries would still be huge, their endorsements will be bigger and most would rather make 12 million a year in the US than 15 overseas. And I could care less if the Korver's and Childress's leave. They aren't that good anyways. For every Korver that leaves a Jimmer will take his place.
Without a hard cap Utah will always be a 3-6 seed and a second rounder loser. Also, I don't think a hard cap would send players overseas. Their salaries would still be huge, their endorsements will be bigger and most would rather make 12 million a year in the US than 15 overseas. And I could care less if the Korver's and Childress's leave. They aren't that good anyways. For every Korver that leaves a Jimmer will take his place.
I'll give up a year for a hard cap. Give me socialism in sports and nothing else.
Also, I don't think a hard cap would send players overseas. Their salaries would still be huge, their endorsements will be bigger and most would rather make 12 million a year in the US than 15 overseas. And I could care less if the Korver's and Childress's leave. They aren't that good anyways. For every Korver that leaves a Jimmer will take his place.
You misunderstand socialism. You think a hard cap of tens of millions of dollars for a sport team is socialism? It is obviously capitalism, but with a bit of a socialist twist. That is the way everything should be.
green
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You misunderstand socialism. You think a hard cap of tens of millions of dollars for a sport team is socialism? It is obviously capitalism, but with a bit of a socialist twist. That is the way everything should be.
All right, you win.
Hedda Gambler
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You misunderstand socialism. You think a hard cap of tens of millions of dollars for a sport team is socialism? It is obviously capitalism, but with a bit of a socialist twist. That is the way everything should be.
Being a European myself and more specifically from a country most Americans would define as a socialist one, your organizing of major sports is extremely socialized compared to ours. We have no drafts, no salary restrictions and no such things as restricted free agents. This is one of the reasons that NBA never - unfortunately - will expand to Europe. The European Union will never accept the labor restrictions which is implied in the drafting system and the CBA.
Oh I think they'd accept them...for the right price.
Park Bites
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Actually I think they need to add a couple things to the CBA.
1st - franchise tag so that the small market teams can keep their best players. Thevtag can only be used every other year or 2.
2nd - full revenue sharing.
3rd - a complete minor league system. Each team completely owns the minor league team. Thevdraft is expanded to 4 rounds. Cities with a minor league team will be determined by proximity to NBA franchise and market share.
1st - franchise tag so that the small market teams can keep their best players. Thevtag can only be used every other year or 2.
2nd - full revenue sharing.
3rd - a complete minor league system. Each team completely owns the minor league team. Thevdraft is expanded to 4 rounds. Cities with a minor league team will be determined by proximity to NBA franchise and market share.
Hedda Gambler
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Nope, they wouldn`t. Even soccer, the by far most popular sport in Europe, had to undertake radical changes when the EU courts ordered them to stop prohibting workers (players) to freely choose for which team they wanted to play when their contracts were up.