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siromar said:
You misunderstand socialism. You think a hard cap of tens of millions of dollars for a sport team is socialism? It is obviously capitalism, but with a bit of a socialist twist. That is the way everything should be. ;)
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Being a European myself and more specifically from a country most Americans would define as a socialist one, your organizing of major sports is extremely socialized compared to ours. We have no drafts, no salary restrictions and no such things as restricted free agents. This is one of the reasons that NBA never - unfortunately - will expand to Europe. The European Union will never accept the labor restrictions which is implied in the drafting system and the CBA.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
Being a European myself and more specifically from a country most Americans would define as a socialist one, your organizing of major sports is extremely socialized compared to ours. We have no drafts, no salary restrictions and no such things as restricted free agents. This is one of the reasons that NBA never - unfortunately - will expand to Europe. The European Union will never accept the labor restrictions which is implied in the drafting system and the CBA.
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Oh I think they'd accept them...for the right price.
 
Actually I think they need to add a couple things to the CBA.

1st - franchise tag so that the small market teams can keep their best players. Thevtag can only be used every other year or 2.

2nd - full revenue sharing.

3rd - a complete minor league system. Each team completely owns the minor league team. Thevdraft is expanded to 4 rounds. Cities with a minor league team will be determined by proximity to NBA franchise and market share.
 
Gameface said:
Oh I think they'd accept them...for the right price.
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Nope, they wouldn`t. Even soccer, the by far most popular sport in Europe, had to undertake radical changes when the EU courts ordered them to stop prohibting workers (players) to freely choose for which team they wanted to play when their contracts were up.
 
probably of no importance whatsoever but I was wondering if the rookies who get drafted are voting members of the players' union even though they may not have signed a contract.

and apologies if this has already been answered, but does the current CBA apply to this year's first round picks since the draft comes before it expires?


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billyshelby said:
"Part II: The Players" is now up. Fast, easy read like the other one
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Wow. Reading this I think that the players* real goal is contraction as 'King James' said last season. I don't see why a rational, informed, uncorerced player, other than the stars, could even consider this proposal--it will take thier jobs away. But it demonstrates who is calling the shots and has the real power for the so called players*

The players model would quickly make a handful of Miami Heats and 22 Washington Generals. Contraction would soon follow.

I'm going to have to side with the evil tax subsidized billionaires over the not smart enough to realize we're being used players.




*by players I mean the agents, Lawyers, shoe, sports drinks, and cell phone companies, and other advertisers that control the stars.
 
Reading this tells me all the players can really do is try to mitigate the losses they are going to take. How quickly the players cave is going to be the factor on how much if any ball is going to be played next year.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Reading this tells me all the players can really do is try to mitigate the losses they are going to take. How quickly the players cave is going to be the factor on how much if any ball is going to be played next year.
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That's the whole game. Hunter has a losing hand and he's trying to figure out how to lose it. But the owners don't serve themselves trying to force him to his knees. They need to find a way to help him save face. I assume he's dug in on the hard cap. But there's lots of ways you can effectively make a soft cap a hard cap. Give him some version of a restrictive soft cap with contingencies that it will be reevaluated at some point in the future.
 
billyshelby said:
That's the whole game. Hunter has a losing hand and he's trying to figure out how to lose it. But the owners don't serve themselves trying to force him to his knees. They need to find a way to help him save face. I assume he's dug in on the hard cap. But there's lots of ways you can effectively make a soft cap a hard cap. Give him some version of a restrictive soft cap with contingencies that it will be reevaluated at some point in the future.
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That's where I believe the negotiations are now. Find where is Hunter the most jelly legged and crush that area while finding the spots he's not budging on and compromise on that.

Hunter may have to accept shorter contracts because he's not going to be able to keep five years AND a hard cap. Owners would rather lose two years of basketball than do that.

Hunter may have to do something like give up player options. Four years with a team option may be the compromise here. This will add to the owner's perception of player's earning that fifth year. Maybe Hunter will do three years guaranteed to be the maximum with two years of team options. I know the players would really be unhappy with Hunter for dropping the player option, but that may be necessary to keep guaranteed money and a soft-ish cap around.
 
As longas the owner insist on making almost every owner profitable (as opposed to the NBA overall), but revenue sharing is off the table, the players have every reason not to cave.
 
One Brow said:
As longas the owner insist on making almost every owner profitable (as opposed to the NBA overall), but revenue sharing is off the table, the players have every reason not to cave.
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As long as the league does not have a revenue sharing plan the majority of the owner's in the league have 0 incentive to ever cave. I believe most of the owners are more than willing to sit on this as long as needed in order to get almost everything they want. The large market owner's will want to get going again but why should the owner's losing money care what 8 owner's want?

I will be surprised if a soft cap and guaranteed salaries are both included in the new CBA. One of those things will be gone if not both.
 
One Brow said:
As longas the owner insist on making almost every owner profitable (as opposed to the NBA overall), but revenue sharing is off the table, the players have every reason not to cave.
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Ideologically true, but practically unfeasible. The players would love to see a revenue sharing agreement because it strengthens their bargaining position. What should happen is the owners agree privately to a new revenue sharing agreement and then create a harder soft cap system that appeases the players until they announce it. Because in the end run, players can't survive a lockout and owners can. The NBAPA is just in a bad spot. But the owners presumably want to profit so the onus is on them to help the players agree to terms they can live with, not necessarily the terms they want.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
That's where I believe the negotiations are now. Find where is Hunter the most jelly legged and crush that area while finding the spots he's not budging on and compromise on that.

Hunter may have to accept shorter contracts because he's not going to be able to keep five years AND a hard cap. Owners would rather lose two years of basketball than do that.

Hunter may have to do something like give up player options. Four years with a team option may be the compromise here. This will add to the owner's perception of player's earning that fifth year. Maybe Hunter will do three years guaranteed to be the maximum with two years of team options. I know the players would really be unhappy with Hunter for dropping the player option, but that may be necessary to keep guaranteed money and a soft-ish cap around.
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I just don't see Hunter backing off the strict hard cap. He'll concede revenue, he'll concede contract restrictions (to a point), and he'll throw rookies under the bus, but a soft cap is the lifeblood of maximum earnings for players. He's going to fight a total system overhaul to the end and the players will likely be convinced on that front to hold out as long as possible. I think a creative new cap system is the key to compromise.
 
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