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CEO raises minimum wage to $70000, takes $70000 wage himself until profits are met.

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Don't be a dick. He's got a right to a voice too. And he's got a helluva lot to be proud of.

Wouldn't you be pissy if you saw it as someone taking a large piece of your pride out from under you?

if you're asking me to (a) imagine some holy right to POSSESS what I call mine, (b) imagine my holy right to ACCUMULATE as much as I see fit, and (c) imagine any social body in black and white terms (as helping or hurting me) and by metrics that I can calculate......... then, I'll probably feel nausea before I feel this "pride" you're talking about.

Do you want me to pity PKM? I already do.
 
As a general observation, executive salaries in the US are outrageous. Executives justify these exorbitant salaries arguing that they are necessary to attract top executive talent. I call BS. Consider the following:

1. Executives in other other developed countries are paid substantially less on average than corresponding executives in the US, both in absolute terms and relative to the compensation of rank and file workers. Are the former really that much better than the latter? I doubt it.
2. Executives in the US receive high compensation regardless of actual performance, and when they are let go, they inevitably receive very, very generous golden parachutes. There does not appear to be a strong correlation between pay and performance (at least from casual observation).
3. What is the executive's opportunity cost? You mean if the CEO of a corporation was being paid $15,000,000, instead of $30,000,000 he'd go do something else? What else would he do where he could possibly make this much money?
4. Corporations stack their Boards with cronies and high executives from other corporations . Boards are incestuous bodies whose members have the incentive to perpetuate the system of excessive executive pay, because they all benefit from it. Thus the very governance body that might otherwise act as a check on executive pay and possibly align pay with actual performance, has been co-opted to serve the interests of the executive class over that of other corporation stakeholders, and particularly the rank and file.
 
if you're asking me to (a) imagine some holy right to POSSESS what I call mine, (b) imagine my holy right to ACCUMULATE as much as I see fit, and (c) imagine any social body in black and white terms (as helping or hurting me) and by metrics that I can calculate......... then, I'll probably feel nausea before I feel this "pride" you're talking about.

Do you want me to pity PKM? I already do.

What I'm asking you to do is look at an achievement you're very proud of.

Now imagine it meaning 20% less.
 

I'm mainly bitching about obamacare. My premiums have gone up from $450 to close to $800. If I was making what I make and my company didnt offer insurance I would get help from the govt and would be paying around $120. Or if I didnt have a job I'd be paying $50 or so. But because my company offers insurance I get no help and am paying A LOT more than I did before obamacare. I have yet to meet someone who is middle class that hasn't been screwed by obamacare.
 
I'm mainly bitching about obamacare. My premiums have gone up from $450 to close to $800. If I was making what I make and my company didnt offer insurance I would get help from the govt and would be paying around $120. Or if I didnt have a job I'd be paying $50 or so. But because my company offers insurance I get no help and am paying A LOT more than I did before obamacare. I have yet to meet someone who is middle class that hasn't been screwed by obamacare.

Well, you know, other than those who can't be denied health insurance because of a pre-existing medical condition anymore, or those affected by lifetime caps on insurance coverage.


If y'all move towards an increasingly state-run health care system, you'll find a lot more in the middle class pretty amped with it. I happen to be one of them. Only ppl who hate it are rich people who are upset that their deep pockets can't make them get an MRI or operation quicker.
 
As a general observation, executive salaries in the US are outrageous. Executives justify these exorbitant salaries arguing that they are necessary to attract top executive talent. I call BS. Consider the following:

1. Executives in other other developed countries are paid substantially less on average than corresponding executives in the US, both in absolute terms and relative to the compensation of rank and file workers. Are the former really that much better than the latter? I doubt it.
2. Executives in the US receive high compensation regardless of actual performance, and when they are let go, they inevitably receive very, very generous golden parachutes. There does not appear to be a strong correlation between pay and performance (at least from casual observation).
3. What is the executive's opportunity cost? You mean if the CEO of a corporation was being paid $15,000,000, instead of $30,000,000 he'd go do something else? What else would he do where he could possibly make this much money?
4. Corporations stack their Boards with cronies and high executives from other corporations . Boards are incestuous bodies whose members have the incentive to perpetuate the system of excessive executive pay, because they all benefit from it. Thus the very governance body that might otherwise act as a check on executive pay and possibly align pay with actual performance, has been co-opted to serve the interests of the executive class over that of other corporation stakeholders, and particularly the rank and file.

Once upon a time in my younger years I asked why should they be so exorbitantly high. I was rebuffed with "They make 50x what others do because it takes 50 others to do that job". At the time... I accepted it.

What 10 years of existence in the workforce has taught me is that I should have asked "Does that mean that one person can do the job of 50 others?"

They should be paid more if they're preforming well. If they're providing real leadership and direction, they should make more. 50x more though?
 
Well, you know, other than those who can't be denied health insurance because of a pre-existing medical condition anymore, or those affected by lifetime caps on insurance coverage.


If y'all move towards an increasingly state-run health care system, you'll find a lot more in the middle class pretty amped with it. I happen to be one of them. Only ppl who hate it are rich people who are upset that their deep pockets can't make them get an MRI or operation quicker.

I am all for that. It just sucks when you are trying to keep your family fed and housed and barely doing it and your bills keep going up to cover someone elses asses. I appreciate the idea of obamacare as the system was already broken, its just become a different kind of broken imo.
 
Don't be a dick. He's got a right to a voice too. And he's got a helluva lot to be proud of.

Wouldn't you be pissy if you saw it as someone taking a large piece of your pride out from under you?

LOL, NAOS is just kind of pissy in general.
 
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