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Charlie Kirk shot at UVU event

fishonjazz said:
My wife was asking why this particular shooting was the one that got people so passionate and at first I couldn't think of why.

Then it hit me. We saw the bullet enter his neck and blood gush out and watched him slump over as if dead.

Maybe if we all watched a man dressed as a cop knock on the door of Melissa Hortman and shoot her, her husband and her dog at point blank range and saw the blood gush and the life leave their bodies then we would care more.

Maybe if we all watched the bullets entering the elementary school kids bodies and saw the blood gush and saw the life leave the children's bodies then maybe we would care more.

Instead no one really cares all the much. I see much more passionate discussions on Facebook in the last few days than I ever did for any murdered children.

Any thoughts?
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What if international media could access Gaza and show the world Israel's genocide?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Will Australia take us?
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You're kidding? We hate migration as much as you guys.

Two weeks ago neo nazis organised an anti immigration rally in Melbourne, which finished with them assaulting a camp full of Indigenous people and some Chinese take away.

You can't make this **** up.

I'd be running to Canada if i were you guys, this in Berlin in 1936.
 
fishonjazz said:
My co workers and I had a discussion today and we decided we better stop talking about politics at all while at work for fear of getting fired.

Its what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
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Now you know how conservatives have felt for 60 years. Charlie Kirk did nothing but advocate for free speech and having conversations.
 
I’m admittedly not too many hours into listening to some of these debates with Kirk. Never heard a word of his prior, but thanks to both sides of this stupid argumentative thread I’ve done so.

So far nothing that is him spouting hatred. He had made some dodge, stretch answers/retorts. He does have a mocking tone at times. I’ve also seen him be respectful as well. I’ve seen 10x worse here daily. If his is hate speech, then you people are friggin hitlers yourselves.

One of my thoughts is I won’t necessarily believe stats or facts spouted by Red or Kirk (whoever) without backup. Who knows if I’d be getting “DOL” stats on employment. I say look into everything. It’s easy to accept something conforming with your confirmation biases. Trust no one, check sources, data and conclusions. I do try to check links and sources.

There are so many instances of quoting one thing out of context to twist the message or get a reaction.

Both sides here need to deescalate. Kirk was not the second coming of St John, but he wasn’t Stalin either.

I might respond to a post or two that I disagree with in part or whole, or find intellectually dishonest.

I won’t respond to all the smug, repugnant posts some of you made, and I hope you find shame at some point for them.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The funny thing is, and what really makes it ironic, is that Charlie Kirk literally said it's justified to have dead children, among others, to maintain our 2nd amendment rights. He justified school shootings this way. With his own words, he would view his own death as a necessary evil for having the 2nd amendment rights we have. Do his followers believe what he said, or only as long as people they don't like or don't know are the ones being "sacrificed"?
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Is that the only part of the conversation you and others get stuck on. Pretty cherry pickish from the whole convo.

In the more full conversation he states that the cost of having the second amendment is some of these incidents. Just like the cost of vehicles and roads is 50k deaths a year by vehicle accident. We as a society have decided that cost is worth keeping roads, just as we should for the right to bear arms. Then he goes on to say we should have a reductionist view to do what we can to reduce the deaths.

He give s some of his approach to how, more fathers in homes, more armed guards at schools.

It is a logical argument.

I probably partially agree with him that we need to look at all means to reduce the deaths, but I also think there needs to be efforts made to make automatic and other military type guns locked down.

I also think… how did the war on drugs go? Were drugs stopped from getting into people’s hands? It’s interesting that the same people that oppose the war on drugs want a war on guns.

If someone wants a gun to do some violence, they will get it. Period. Law or no law.

I don’t like the cherry picking and what appears to be misrepresenting to say… Kirk bad, me good!
 
str8line said:
Does anyone think that The Pedophile won't use this to create more division?
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Does calling Trump a rapist and pedophile over and over make you feel right about hating him? Is it about those things? Probably not or you’d say the same crap about Biden, Clinton, or whoever. You pick and choose who you call names and it makes you feel strong?

99% sure there are a boatload of dems, republs, and celebs on that Epstein list.

Don’t act like it’s a one name list. It’s tiring.

I really don’t like Trump but your one sided shtick is tiring. If you call one out, call them all out.
 
Rubashov said:
What if international media could access Gaza and show the world Israel's genocide?
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Great example.

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Jazz Spazz said:
I’m admittedly not too many hours into listening to some of these debates with Kirk. Never heard a word of his prior, but thanks to both sides of this stupid argumentative thread I’ve done so.

So far nothing that is him spouting hatred. He had made some dodge, stretch answers/retorts. He does have a mocking tone at times. I’ve also seen him be respectful as well. I’ve seen 10x worse here daily. If his is hate speech, then you people are friggin hitlers yourselves.

One of my thoughts is I won’t necessarily believe stats or facts spouted by Red or Kirk (whoever) without backup. Who knows if I’d be getting “DOL” stats on employment. I say look into everything. It’s easy to accept something conforming with your confirmation biases. Trust no one, check sources, data and conclusions. I do try to check links and sources.

There are so many instances of quoting one thing out of context to twist the message or get a reaction.

Both sides here need to deescalate. Kirk was not the second coming of St John, but he wasn’t Stalin either.

I might respond to a post or two that I disagree with in part or whole, or find intellectually dishonest.

I won’t respond to all the smug, repugnant posts some of you made, and I hope you find shame at some point for them.
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Good post. I agree for the most part.

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This sucks. Who’s crushing free speech now? And is it permanent? Is this the way it’s going to be? Liberal voices silenced, period? Bondi said the DOJ will go after anyone for hate speech. Than retracted the threat. After all, hate speech is permitted by the constitution. Are we all enjoying the move to totalitarianism? (And, science is actively working on technologies that can decode brain activity to "read" thought, so maybe we’ll top the Chinese in controlling our citizens?)There’s a term for what ABC has become: collaborators. Cowards. This is how totalitarianism wins. Are we simply walking right into the end of our democracy, beginning with the end of free speech?

Dictators need collaborators. It makes their goals so much easier to reach. And there will always be cowards where $$$ is concerned. $$$ is so much more important than being principled.



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‘Censoring you in real time’: suspension of Jimmy Kimmel show sparks shock and fears for free speech

ABC decision over Kimmel comments comes hours after Trump-appointed chair of US media regulator threatened broadcaster’s affiliate stations’ licenses
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In a stunning move, ABC announced Wednesday, Sept. 17 that it was taking "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" off the air indefinitely, after FCC chairman Brendan Carr threatened Kimmel and the network on a podcast over comments Kimmel made about the man charged with shooting Charlie Kirk.

In a year of gutless moves by major media companies, this may be the most gutless. ABC should be ashamed.

Earlier Wednesday, Brendan Carr, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, threatened ABC, Disney and Jimmy Kimmel over a Kimmel monologue that included comments about Charlie Kirk, ominously saying, "We can do this the easy way or the hard way."

A quick reminder that Carr is the chairman of the FCC, not a mob boss in a third-rate gangster movie. It's another example of Donald Trump's administration's threats to free speech, or at least free speech that doesn't praise Trump. Anything the president doesn't agree with or takes offense to, you're all out of luck.
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History’s path is never linear. But its turns can be very sharp.It is rare to be able to identify the moment when we can say “this is the point at which everything changed”. So have we reached the point where we can say the United States is in a constitutional crisis? Has American democracy...
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