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Then you and I have different definitions of civil. But he also mentioned listening to and respecting each other. Something he does not do.

Many here could argue you are not civil with your frank way of stating thinks as fact an final authority. Do we call you out on it? No, we respect your way of life an understand you have a brain like the rest of us

Dutch definitely understands your opinion time to understand his like he said civil
 
Many here could argue you are not civil with your frank way of stating thinks as fact an final authority. Do we call you out on it? No, we respect your way of life an understand you have a brain like the rest of us

Dutch definitely understands your opinion time to understand his like he said civil

Perhaps people should, especially when I am wrong.

Again, we have very different definitions of civil.
 
No one requires a right to hit you or anyone else in the mouth, they only require the will to do so.

the will?


you will need a lot more than will to survive it!]

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i have seen what socialist/marxist/communist have done to my family in the past. whenever a leftist punches me in the mouth for the reason of them being left and me being right/or jewish. they will not survive it. i will terminate you with extreme prejudice.
i will either kill you or make you invalid so you are never ever a treat to me again
 
I agree, how about you start?

ok, have you ever listened to the opposition?

i have listened to people from the young turks, to bill maher. to trevor noah.

the left is in your face so much that i think i have listened and kinda understand where they are coming from.

with the right and alt right it is more difficult to find the big ones.
tell me what i should read or who i should listen to to get a (better) perspective on the left
 
Perhaps people should, especially when I am wrong.

Again, we have very different definitions of civil.

what is civil?


we should have universal things we can agree on.

i think we can both agree on what initiation of force is. or can we not?
or what self ownership is.

we need a starting point
 
ok, have you ever listened to the opposition?

i have listened to people from the young turks, to bill maher. to trevor noah.

the left is in your face so much that i think i have listened and kinda understand where they are coming from.

with the right and alt right it is more difficult to find the big ones.
tell me what i should read or who i should listen to to get a (better) perspective on the left

Yes I have. I read and visit multiple news sites. CNN, Fox, Yahoo, AP, Time, Wash Post, BBC, RT, NPC, The Atlantic, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, SLT, USA Today, Der Spiegel...

I am also blessed to have people with strong opinions in my life. People from all over the political spectrum that often discuss events, people and policies with me.

In real life you might be very reasonable and someone that encourages debate and the exchange of ideas. On here you are not. At least that my opinion of your posts.
 
In real life you might be very reasonable and someone that encourages debate and the exchange of ideas. On here you are not. At least that my opinion of your posts.

You can not help yourself bein uncivil can you. Take a lesson from [MENTION=84]moevillini[/MENTION]
 
Yes I have. I read and visit multiple news sites. CNN, Fox, Yahoo, AP, Time, Wash Post, BBC, RT, NPC, The Atlantic, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, SLT, USA Today, Der Spiegel...

I am also blessed to have people with strong opinions in my life. People from all over the political spectrum that often discuss events, people and policies with me.

In real life you might be very reasonable and someone that encourages debate and the exchange of ideas. On here you are not. At least that my opinion of your posts.

i ussually get pissed of because of ad hominem attacks. instead of on my argument.

at the moment i am learning Spanish. i understand most everything now. but my grammatical is worse than my English.

i have met a lot of venezuelan refugees. and have become friends with them.

anyways. when i stat something about individualism vs collectivism. people tend to tell me how i spelt individualism wrong.

whenever the right try and state their opinion they get belittled.
from racist/bigot/homophobe/sexist/science denier/transphobe and now russians
even getting called clingers (religion and guns)!

how about when i state i am against abortion.
and you are pro abortion(don't know if you are but lets assume).
we start from why am i against it. i will state taking a life without a valid reason is wrong.
and i think live starts at conception.
you might state that by law live starts at birth.

but maybe scientifically how is live defined. i know science get **** wrong. that i why i think it is better not be safe and not have abortion at all.
but people do not seem interested in defining when human life begins. and thanks to science the viability of a fetus outside the wound keeps getting earlier and earlier.

but instead i get called a sexist and hypocrite for wanting small government but when it comes to abortion i want the government into women's womb.

while i never get the change to explain what small government role is.
for example small governments role is protection of live for the defenseless, a fetus if you consider it a human being, is a defenseless person and needs the governments help to not be "murdered". so it does not go against my principal of small government.

but people never seem to grasp the point of view of the right on the case of abortion. if you understand our point of view. we should only argue on what human life is and when does human live begin. but the left does not seem to want to entertain this option. i have a theory as to why, because maybe science proves them wrong. they rather have a law telling them what a person is, than science. but this is speculation from what i have heard about it.

and maybe we want people to stand for the consequences of their action, you have sex you enjoyed it now the woman is pregnant, the man now must marry her. be a man by taking on the responsibility of his actions. and be there for the woman and child. giving the child a stable basis. as stats show children with both parents do better!


i am always open for reasonable discussion, but recently in real live i had a discussion with my aunt, and now she calls me Nazi sympathizer. because at a certain point she had no more counter arguments. basically it was about free speech and hate speech about who decides what hate speech is. she siad the government. so i told her so you want hitler to decide what hate speech is. or trump or in case of the Netherlands politician geert wilders is found in court for saying "Mohamed married a 6 year old, and by today standards it is called pedophilia". i todl her we either allow all speech or none. except in cases of real crimes(conspiracy).
but when i told her so you wnat the government to decide what we are allowed to say. so i told her Hitler, Chavez, Castro, trump. note i am not anti trump, she is so she would not want trump to decide what should be said or not. she got mad and called me a nazi sympathiser. for saying earlier in the discussion i think people should be able to fly their nazi flag. because it is better to know where those people live!
but now she goes around the family telling everybody how i am a nazi sympathiser. and you want me to remain reasonable!
 
the funny thing about being called a nazi sympathiser. is people cant keep apart qoutes from hitler and bernie.
as the quotes and vision are the same!
 
the funny thing about being called a nazi sympathiser. is people cant keep apart qoutes from hitler and bernie.
as the quotes and vision are the same!
Bernies vision is to kill hella jews?
 
no but he blames the 1% for everything just as hitler blamed the jews for everything

those filthy 1% capitalist

those filthy 1.7% Jewish capitalist
So their visions are not the same then. Got it
 
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