Charlottesville

[Eminence]

"Violence on both sides", what is that even supposed to say? No crap both sides will be violent in a fight, that doesn't mean that the two sides are suddenly equal - the reasons they're fighting shouldn't be forgotten.

 

[Stoked]

The violence hasn't been one sided, and everyone knows it. No one's saying it isn't. But the message from the right is "We're taking our country back" where the message from the left is "We just want a fair shake, too"

I agree that their message and goals are dramatically different. I do not contest that at all. But to many of their tactics are the same. Violence and intimidation, that I do not support.

As for them being frustrated, that is abundantly clear and I don't fault them for that. But that does not justify violence.

But at this point the discussion isn't about Charlottesville but the general tone and tactics of these groups over months and years. I have particular problem with their tendency to use violence and intimidation to shut down any venue of free speech that they oppose.

So I have one group, "untie the right", that I oppose in message, goals and tactics. And another group, "antifa", that I partially agree with in its goals and message but oppose in tactics.

 

[Harambe]

"Violence on both sides", what is that even supposed to say? No crap both sides will be violent in a fight, that doesn't mean that the two sides are suddenly equal - the reasons they're fighting shouldn't be forgotten.

It's just another way to try to make the far-right/antifa struggles comparable on either side.

People, largely, aren't buying it. And it shows. Donnie realized it after the first press conference, had a second to try to backstep but got called out by his supporters(Hello, Grand Dragons!), and had a temper tantrum bicker battle in his third.

 

[Stoked]

"Violence on both sides", what is that even supposed to say? No crap both sides will be violent in a fight, that doesn't mean that the two sides are suddenly equal - the reasons they're fighting shouldn't be forgotten.

And no one, except maybe dutch, has said or even indicated that they are. You are right that their goals and reasons should be remembered and are dramatically different. But that does not condone the violence. Like their tendency to riot, destroy property and burn things over a speech at a university by someone they disagree with.

But if we want to talk about Charlottesville specifically then yes I 100% condemn and detest this "unite the right" movement. I hope the driver of that car gets a charge for every single person killed or injured. I hope they use video too find and track down everyone they can that was engaged in the violence and press charges. I am profoundly disappointed in the Presidents response and his pandering tot he wrong people.

There was a perfect opportunity for the Rs to take a strong stance against this and they intentionally failed.

 

[Harambe]

I agree that their message and goals are dramatically different. I do not contest that at all. But to many of their tactics are the same. Violence and intimidation, that I do not support.

As for them being frustrated, that is abundantly clear and I don't fault them for that. But that does not justify violence.

But at this point the discussion isn't about Charlottesville but the general tone and tactics of these groups over months and years. I have particular problem with their tendency to use violence and intimidation to shut down any venue of free speech that they oppose.

So I have one group, "untie the right", that I oppose in message, goals and tactics. And another group, "antifa", that I partially agree with in its goals and message but oppose in tactics.

You're welcome to suggest another tactic. But I hope it's something new... equal rights advocates have tried everything under the sun to stem racially segregating/hating groups for a very long time now.

Hell, I'll go on record saying I'll kiss you if you can come up with a non-violent idea that will quantifiably provide equal rights for all. Or just end hate groups.

 

[fishonjazz]

"Violence on both sides", what is that even supposed to say? No crap both sides will be violent in a fight, that doesn't mean that the two sides are suddenly equal - the reasons they're fighting shouldn't be forgotten.

This.
I'm glad that "the other side" used violence against Hitler back in the day.

 

[Boris]

Good job aligning yourself with the opposition. **** Nazi's, WS, and whoever the **** representing white victimization. ANTFIFA is the extreme wing fighting against **** bags. Go for it boys. **** them right in the ***.

Babe, dutchrudder, and their ilk can go find their penises and die for all I care. Extreme racism should be stomped out.

You do pick a side here. Period. I feel fine where I'm at. Those trying to find common ground will fail. **** the KKK, WS, and whatever ******** term they use.

****. You.


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That's what they said for goin into Iraq. Good level headed thinking there kiddo. Pick 1 side. Die for your side.

 

[Stoked]

You're welcome to suggest another tactic. But I hope it's something new... equal rights advocates have tried everything under the sun to stem racially segregating/hating groups for a very long time now.

Hell, I'll go on record saying I'll kiss you if you can come up with a non-violent idea that will quantifiably provide equal rights for all. Or just end hate groups.

And look at all the amazing progress that has been made, the approach was working! But now it is being changed to something causing more harm than good IMO. Their violence is alienating possible allies and hardening their opposition. It is not the answer.

There will never be an end to hate groups. Never, ever. There is no approach that will do that. Their violence is alienating possible allies and hardening their opposition. It is not the answer.

 

[Tak]

It's appalling how people can be anti Nazi but pro ANTIFA at the same time without realizing they are two faces of the same coin.

 

[Harambe]

And look at all the amazing progress that has been made, the approach was working! But now it is being changed to something causing more harm than good IMO.

There will never be an end to hate groups. Never, ever. There is no approach that will do that. Their violence is alienating possible allies and hardening their opposition. It is not the answer.

Yes. "Look at the progress they're making!" is exactly what the far right are looking at.

And no.. we haven't crossed the line of more harm than good. You're welcome to that opinion, but recognize that it gives weight to the people that just ran over an innocent woman because she had a difference of opinion.

Not because she was throwing a stick
Not because she was flashing her gun
Not because she was threatening violence

Because she had a largely peaceful idea of what America is on track to become someday. You know.. unless the far right "take their country back".

 

[Deleted member 365]

Wasn't trump's daddy a kkk member and was arrested in 1927 for his participation in a kkk rally in New York? I wonder if his views have influenced his son's?

 

[Boris]

It's appalling how people can be anti Nazi but pro ANTIFA at the same time without realizing they are two faces of the same coin.

LOL this thread is why yellow journalism exists. I got extra chuckles from babypeterz harambe an Jonah outrage. Stoked was a bit funny but reasonable. Zombie got his panties wadded so tight they could shear a automobile.