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CJ Miles is the man!

franklin said:
That argument would be fine if you included the 8-10 free throws that these players tend to take. If you include the whole picture then CJ is so much less efficient.

Kobe Bryant .454 career fg% + .838 ft%, about 6 per game.
Crymelo .459 career fg% + .801 ft%, about 7 per game.
Durant .459 career fg% + .885 ft % (and improving), he only took about 10 per game last year.
Chucker took a whopping 95 free throws last year, which I'm using as it's arguably his best full season to date and will pull his #'s up.

Comparing CJ's % to the top shooting guards in the league shows absolutely nothing.
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You seem to be adding conditions to your argument now. But yes, CJ's major weakness is not drawing fouls. At the same time, it makes his numbers look somewhat even more impressive. He is already averaging 18 points per 36 minutes. If (or when) he figures out how to draw contact better we would be looking at well over 20 points a game per 36 minutes. That is not shoddy for 3.5 million a year.
 
Jazz4ever said:
But yes, CJ's major weakness is not drawing fouls. At the same time, it makes his numbers look somewhat even more impressive. He is already averaging 18 points per 36 minutes. If (or when) he figures out how to draw contact better we would be looking at well over 20 points a game per 36 minutes. That is not shoddy for 3.5 million a year.
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This is one of my criticisms of Miles, particularly as he has a good FT%, but he has actually been better at drawing fouls this season than ever before. I use FTA/Min as a rough indicator of how often a player is fouled, last season Miles and Korver were dead last in this stat, and Korver was a strict jump-shooter with almost zero ability to put the ball on the floor. Miles FTA/Min last season was also right about his career number. This season, he is significantly better, particularly over the past month or so (since the Portland game), where he has shot at least one free throw in every game bar one. Also, his shooting percentages have also had a recent upspike, which can only be a result of him driving harder to the rim and finishing. Early in the season he was driving to 5 feet, pulling up, trying to flip the ball in and missing, now he's driving right to the basket and getting makes or drawing fouls. As a consequence he's also now getting better looks from outside because defenders are respecting his drive, before they could play up on him more. His offensive numbers for December have been pretty good for a guy coming off the bench and playing less than half a game (15 ppg, 46% shooting, 33% on 3s).

I'd be happy if he could keep this up, given his role as #1 scoring option off the bench, but would like to see him drive more, rebound more and also get his assist numbers up.
 
Jazz4ever said:
You seem to be adding conditions to your argument now. But yes, CJ's major weakness is not drawing fouls. At the same time, it makes his numbers look somewhat even more impressive. He is already averaging 18 points per 36 minutes. If (or when) he figures out how to draw contact better we would be looking at well over 20 points a game per 36 minutes. That is not shoddy for 3.5 million a year.
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What are you talking about? The only argument I've made is that CJ misses wide open shots. Again, as you can read above, I not concerned with CJ:

1. Missing low shot clock rush shots
2. Not drawing fowls
3. His defensive improvements and obvious benefits he's added this year

My only argument is that CJ misses wide open shots, where he's spoon fed by D-Will breaking down the defense and dishing, when nobody is within five feet, and where he has more than enough time to set his feet, square his shoulders, and shoot in his rhythm. You tried to dispute that by cherry picking a single statistic. It was a poor attempt. If you want to break down his wide open shot % and prove my idea wrong then I'm all ears. I'm not hating on CJ, I've not called for a trade, I've defended him on this forum several times, and I've credited his improvements. The only thing I'm addressing here is CJ consistently chucking and missing wide open shots. The homers want to group think the idea under the rug with cliches and rhetoric. If it's lack of substance that does it for you then keep misrepresenting and/or avoiding my single point. Have fun.
 
CJ has been pretty good lately.

AK has been suck.

Raja has been suck and injured. When he's played he's been a disaster.

And Hayward has been non-existent. At least Giricek would have gotten a traveling call or some hair follicle disease by now or fought with sloan. Maybe hayward will have another cool left handed dunk to give us something to talk about?
 
franklin said:
My only argument is that CJ misses wide open shots, .
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Might as well bitch and moan about the sun coming up. Because everybody in the game misses wide open shots. EVERYBODY. Does CJ miss more than others? Maybe a little but I doubt it. I'd like to see you show #'s on wide open shots prove your point, otherwise it's irrelevant and hearsay. His fg% and 3pt% are getting more respectable and I have no problem with missed shots if they are good looks.
 
gregbroncs said:
Might as well bitch and moan about the sun coming up. Because everybody in the game misses wide open shots. EVERYBODY. Does CJ miss more than others? Maybe a little but I doubt it. I'd like to see you show #'s on wide open shots prove your point, otherwise it's irrelevant and hearsay. His fg% and 3pt% are getting more respectable and I have no problem with missed shots if they are good looks.
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Whatever, Stockton and Malone never missed.

What irritates me the most with CJ is that he cranks it up too soon. the volume doesn't necessarily bug me (although he shouldn't shoot more than Deron, Millsap, and Jefferson). It's when and where he shoots. too often he shoots it with 20 seconds left on the shot clock 30 feet away. In the last few games I've seen him drive more. Lets see if he consistently does that....
 
gregbroncs said:
Might as well bitch and moan about the sun coming up. Because everybody in the game misses wide open shots. EVERYBODY. Does CJ miss more than others? Maybe a little but I doubt it. I'd like to see you show #'s on wide open shots prove your point, otherwise it's irrelevant and hearsay. His fg% and 3pt% are getting more respectable and I have no problem with missed shots if they are good looks.
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Yes, because we're here to compare meaningless stats and pretend that observation is meaningless. Additionally, thank you captain obvious for defending the honor of her lady, your spousal position r.e. Clank, that you've resorted to the extreme position of everybody misses a wide open shot here or there as some fringe justification. I mean, you've added so much that I hereby nominate you king coach, lowercase of course.

I'm glad it took you 4 threads and more pages than countable to finally address a point. You truly are a candidate for smartest SOB who has ever walked this earth award. It takes a once in a Big Bang genius to come up with the stuff you have here. I've decided to refer to you're new title, MR. I Cannot Read Or Come Up with An Original Thought as the source of all that is righteous, wise, and godly. Congratulations from the bottom of my heart.

Is homer in the dictionary yet?
 
franklin said:
I mean, you've added so much that I hereby nominate you king coach, lowercase of course.

I'm glad it took you 4 threads and more pages than countable to finally address a point. You truly are a candidate for smartest SOB who has ever walked this earth award. It takes a once in a Big Bang genius to come up with the stuff you have here. I've decided to refer to you're new title, MR. I Cannot Read Or Come Up with An Original Thought as the source of all that is righteous, wise, and godly. Congratulations from the bottom of my heart.

Is homer in the dictionary yet?
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Wait, who are you talking to? Yourself?
 
CJ the man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj4vLZJhNEk

Sounds about right....or maybe sounds more like Bozzer.
 
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