College Football Conferenece Expansion

[SaltyDawg]

Is this the death of the Big East?
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With Pitt and Syracuse leaving, does the Big 12 raid the Big East? The Big East would only have 7 football programs if they lose 2.

Rumors of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac 12, Texas and Texas Tech to the ACC, and now 2 Big East schools are attempting to join the ACC.

Where does all of this leave BYU? I know there have been rumors of BYU to the Big 12. I personally think if the Big East collapses, BYU to the Big 12 is dead. The Big East schools will be raided by the Big 12. And on the flipside, if the Big 12 collapses, the remaining Big 12 schools will be raided by the Big East.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

BYU won't get left out. In the fifth floor of the Washinton D.C. temple there is a replica oval office so that when Mitt Romney becomes president the Mormon church starts running the country via proxy. In our new theocracy, college football will have two levels: BYU and everybody else. BYU automatically gets one spot in the championship game every year, every other team plays for the final spot.

 

[trigg3r]

BYU won't get left out. In the fifth floor of the Washinton D.C. temple there is a replica oval office so that when Mitt Romney becomes president the Mormon church starts running the country via proxy. In our new theocracy, college football will have two levels: BYU and everybody else. BYU automatically gets one spot in the championship game every year, every other team plays for the final spot.

Rumor is that Texas and the PAC12 will actually work out their issues with the Longhorn Network and Texas and Texas Tech will join up with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in joining the PAC12. Here is the latest article.

https://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6989288/pac-12-working-deal-texas-oklahoma-oklahoma-state-texas-tech-according-source

Bad news for BYU that the Big12 is falling apart. They were up there on the possible recruitment list.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Yeah I read somewhere that the Utah foursome within the Pac 16 would be Utah/Colorado/Arizona/Arizona State....which is dreamy for you guys. You would just have to hope to avoid ever getting cluster ****ed by a random draw of SC/Oregon/Texas/Oklahoma in the same year as your other games.

But 16 team conferences will ultimately fail. Money does not placate losing more games every year. Texas fans don't want to be a conference champion every 10 years. Same with Oklahoma. Same with Oregon. USC fans barely showed up when they were having good or decent seasons - they are as fair weather as it comes. We'll see what Utah fans do because I think they also did fit comfortably under the fair weather banner until Urban Meyer and great football came along.

I'm surprised the NFL hasn't started meddling in this publicly yet. An inordinate percentage of their starting quarterbacks over the past few years have been non-BCS guys. If consolidation took place at an even higher level than it is now, which superconferences are obviously the impetus for exactly that, you're not going to run as many potential players through the feeder system and your talent level will therefore be diluted. How many of those starting QBs would be doing the normal student to career thing if the non-BCS scholarship offer wasn't there? Bagging groceries? It certainly doesn't help their product if some of these teams fade into total oblivion.

 

[trigg3r]

It was bound to happen. The age of the Super Conferences has begun. The ACC plucked away Pitt and Syracuse. Actually, both of those schools probably just wanted out. Now UConn is exploring the same path and aggressively pushing to join the ACC as well. Pretty much decimating the Big East. Sure they may get some interest from a team like Baylor to join and some of the other garbage from the Big12. Anyway, this will propel the SEC toward adding more teams than just Texas A&M. The big losers in all of this are BYU and TCU. Anyway, it will be interesting to see the final result. I can't say this type of thing is good for college sports.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

It's really starting to sound like the Texas/Oklahoma schools are going to bolt and we'll have the Pac 16. This is terrible news for BYU. A future home in the Big 12 was their only realistic hope of getting into a BCS conference. Once the dust settles, I'm sure they'll try and put together a a non-BCS conference with the likes of Boise and the remnants of the Big 12. While that doesn't sound very exciting, it will probably be much better than this independence experiment that already looks like it's ready to go off the rails.

Man, a 54-to-10 beating and growing evidence that they're going to be left out of the "big picture".

Best. Weekend. Ever.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Aren't you guys basically getting nothing $ wise for a couple of years from the PAC right now? This experiment won't even last long enough for you guys to cash a solid paycheck.

 

[trigg3r]

It's really starting to sound like the Texas/Oklahoma schools are going to bolt and we'll have the Pac 16. This is terrible news for BYU. A future home in the Big 12 was their only realistic hope of getting into a BCS conference. Once the dust settles, I'm sure they'll try and put together a a non-BCS conference with the likes of Boise and the remnants of the Big 12. While that doesn't sound very exciting, it will probably be much better than this independence experiment that already looks like it's ready to go off the rails.

Man, a 54-to-10 beating and growing evidence that they're going to be left out of the "big picture".

Best. Weekend. Ever.

The old 16 team WAC Commissioner(Karl Benson) when asked about this really put forth the point that if you have a 16 team conference then you need to make sure that everyone in that conference is wholeheartedly committed. He even thought it was better to go to a 20 team conference if given a choice and separate the teams in half. Anyway, the only real chance a team like BYU, Boise State, (maybe Baylor), and even now TCU(The Big East is falling apart) has if the the PAC12 went to 20. I don't see that happening and I think the standard for awhile is going to be 16 and that will work out because all the big conferences seem headed there.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Aren't you guys basically getting nothing $ wise for a couple of years from the PAC right now? This experiment won't even last long enough for you guys to cash a solid paycheck.

Are you somehow implying that Utah won't be a member of the PAC after all of this expansion is finished? I honestly hope you're that delusional.

 

[trigg3r]

Aren't you guys basically getting nothing $ wise for a couple of years from the PAC right now? This experiment won't even last long enough for you guys to cash a solid paycheck.

It looks like it has a chance at longevity if it indeed does happen. The SEC will look to grow to 16 teams, the ACC has already started growing and the Big 10 will even start to get even bigger. I think ND will finally join the Big 10 and they will even look at 16 teams. I am not going to argue that it is good for college football because I don't think it is.

 

[trigg3r]

Are you somehow implying that Utah won't be a member of the PAC after all of this expansion is finished? I honestly hope you're that delusional.

I think he is implying that the expansion will ultimately fail and the teams that would be joining the PAC12 would form a new conference with other teams after a couple years in a 16 team conference. That's what I took away from his comments at least.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Are you somehow implying that Utah won't be a member of the PAC after all of this expansion is finished? I honestly hope you're that delusional.

What I'm saying is that I think that we are closer than ever to having a playoff in college football. It sounds crazy because that's not the direction it's going right now, but we are at a major tipping point. I think this whole thing is going over a cliff sooner rather than later for the reasons I mentioned previously. Fans don't like losing. This system creates more losers. It's a simple equation.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

BYU and TCU are indeed in a bad position. So is Iowa State. The Big 10 is solid at 12. I don't think they want to expand unless Notre Dame is included. They're incredibly stable with football powers.

The Big East should survive as at least a Basketball school. I think the Kansas schools would want to avoid that possibility. There will be some schools left out of the SEC/ACC blitz like Texas Tech or Missouri. BYU, Boise, KU, KSU, TTU, MU, TCU, Baylor. Not a bad conference for the big two sports. Decent geographically, too, though that doesn't seem to make a difference anymore.

While certainly not a good situation BYU finds itself in. It's not doom and gloom at the moment.

 

[trigg3r]

BYU and TCU are indeed in a bad position. So is Iowa State. The Big 10 is solid at 12. I don't think they want to expand unless Notre Dame is included. They're incredibly stable with football powers.

The Big East should survive as at least a Basketball school. I think the Kansas schools would want to avoid that possibility. There will be some schools left out of the SEC/ACC blitz like Texas Tech or Missouri. BYU, Boise, KU, KSU, TTU, MU, TCU, Baylor. Not a bad conference for the big two sports. Decent geographically, too, though that doesn't seem to make a difference anymore.

While certainly not a good situation BYU finds itself in. It's not doom and gloom at the moment.

I think Basketball wise the Big East is going to be hurt REALLY bad. Syracuse, Pitt, and UConn are all huge losses. It might be only a matter of time for teams like Lousiville to see if they can't find greener pastures.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I think Basketball wise the Big East is going to be hurt REALLY bad. Syracuse, Pitt, and UConn are all huge losses. It might be only a matter of time for teams like Lousiville to see if they can't find greener pastures.

Quality-wise, maybe, but they have as many non-football members as football members. Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova is a quality league. Perhaps a resurgent St. John's, as well. Schools that are more basketball oriented than football oriented may want to think twice before leaving. Besides, the SEC probably wouldn't take anyone from there outside of West Virginia, and the ACC can't take the whole Big East.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Buncha horse-****.

 

[The Thriller]

I'm not a fan of this garbage.

We already have the NFL.

Keep college football traditional. Keep the rivalries alive. No more super conference nonsense!

 

[trigg3r]

I'm not a fan of this garbage.

We already have the NFL.

Keep college football traditional. Keep the rivalries alive. No more super conference nonsense!

It seems like it has to happen now. Teams are looking out for number one and conferences are looking out for number one. I can't say I like it, but it is the sad fact. The most recent cause goes back to Texas' Longhorn Network deal. Texas A&M didn't like it at all and are in the process of leaving for the SEC. That weakened the foundation and Oklahoma began to wonder why they should stay in a conference that teams like Nebraska and A&M fled. So they decided to see what was out there for them. Texas had a sit down and tried to convince them to stay, but it was too late. The Big 12 was obviously looking to get a new team or two and both Pitt and BYU were high on their list. Pitt's leaving to the ACC pretty much confirmed what Oklahoma was going to do if you can believe these sportswriters. Barring some miraculous change of events, OK, OKState, Texas and TT will be PAC12(16) members.

 

[fatchipper]

Here's the pod structure for the Pac-16

- Northwest -
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State

- Pacific -
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC

- Mountain -
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah

- Plains -
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech

The schedule would be:
- Each team plays their pod every year (3 games) and two from every other pod (6 games)

Utah's schedule would look something like this...

Non-Con
Non-Con
Non-Con
ASU
Colorado
Arizona
vs. CA School
@ CA School
vs. NW School
@ NW School
vs. Plains School
@ Plains School

 

[fatchipper]

Just saw another pod structure on ESPN that has the Northwest and Plains pods the same but the Pacific pod has USC, UCLA, Arizona, and ASU. The Mountain pod has Stanford, Cal, Utah, and Colorado.