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Collier’s Future

JazzFever said:
The best thing about him is how he makes *every* other player better.

  • Key gets the ball in better places to drive or shoot.
  • Lauri/Kessler/Collins start spamming dunks at the rim.
  • Flip plays with more confidence and they have a good two-man game going
and so forth.

The other players are licking their chops to move and crash and run because they know they'll get rewarded.

He plays very energetic defense and fights successfully through screens.

The dude is FAAAST. He had an end to end fast break last night that had everyone humming with excitement- the speed was 1% even in the NBA- there is probably nobody actually faster in the league and a very few in his category.

His on the move middles are looking smooth, and his three is visibly improving over time.

His turnovers and at the basket shots need some work, but they are probably some of the easiest things to fix.

He has a Sexton attack dog mentality with a pass first philosophy- he IS our PG of the present and future and a potential all-NBA player. All the things that made him the #1 recruit coming into college are surfacing and got my mouth watering for the future.
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You talk about everything except the most important one - shooting.
 
Tyrese Haliburton is fifth currently in the league at 8.5 assist per game. Collier will be even better next year. Could he lead the league as soon as next year?
 
For a point guard, averaging an absolute **** ton of assists while having a very small usage % and playing just 23mpg is a dead giveway of being unable or unwilling to shoot. Often both.

(See: Rubio, Ricky.)

I like Collier a lot but he's still in his honeymoon phase with the NBA. The league is in the process of figuring out his non-shooting, and in the next stage, teams will start to play way off him. He's quick and strong, but those advantages will be mitigated by defenders giving him tons of space.

The age of the "pass first, pass second" PG is over. At least for starting players.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
For a point guard, averaging an absolute **** ton of assists while having a very small usage % and playing just 23mpg is a dead giveway of being unable or unwilling to shoot. Often both.

(See: Rubio, Ricky.)

I like Collier a lot but he's still in his honeymoon phase with the NBA. The league is in the process of figuring out his non-shooting, and in the next stage, teams will start to play way off him. He's quick and strong, but those advantages will be mitigated by defenders giving him tons of space.

The age of the "pass first, pass second" PG is over. At least for starting players.
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So, what your saying is you don’t really like him, got it.
 
Of course Collier averages more assist because he's not a good scorer yet, but he isnt just doing the dribble the ball at the top of the key and make the pass thing (the thing that Keyonte kind of did when he first got the starting job his rookie year). He's actively getting downhill and setting players up through his ability to make things happen. He's got just enough rim pressure threat to keep defenses honest to open up those passes.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
For a point guard, averaging an absolute **** ton of assists while having a very small usage % and playing just 23mpg is a dead giveway of being unable or unwilling to shoot. Often both.

(See: Rubio, Ricky.)

I like Collier a lot but he's still in his honeymoon phase with the NBA. The league is in the process of figuring out his non-shooting, and in the next stage, teams will start to play way off him. He's quick and strong, but those advantages will be mitigated by defenders giving him tons of space.

The age of the "pass first, pass second" PG is over. At least for starting players.
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do you watch jazz games? they've been playing way off him and giving him tons of space since about day one.
 
Collier had 13 assists against the suns. 10 came in the first half. The adjustment the Suns made was to not help off their man when he drove in to the paint. That made it so Colliers aggressive drives didn't pull a defender so he had to look to score more.

He got 12 points in the second half along with 3 assists. He also didn't run an amazing offense.

In order to open up his game he will need to become a 3 level scorer. He is obviously finishing better at the rim than before but I would give him the layup before helping off of other players. His jumper 20 feet out is pretty solid. His 3 point shot is Ronnie Brewer rookie season level right now.

But guys learn how to shoot in this league. That will determine his ceiling more than anything methinks.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Collier had 13 assists against the suns. 10 came in the first half. The adjustment the Suns made was to not help off their man when he drove in to the paint. That made it so Colliers aggressive drives didn't pull a defender so he had to look to score more.

He got 12 points in the second half along with 3 assists. He also didn't run an amazing offense.

In order to open up his game he will need to become a 3 level scorer. He is obviously finishing better at the rim than before but I would give him the layup before helping off of other players. His jumper 20 feet out is pretty solid. His 3 point shot is Ronnie Brewer rookie season level right now.

But guys learn how to shoot in this league. That will determine his ceiling more than anything methinks.
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He doesnt *need* to be a 3 level scorer. The biggest thing is he has to learn to get to the foul line off his drives and know how to get his shot off in the paint.
 
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