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Conley Benched

Conley isn’t executing better or more complicated reads out of the PnR than year-3 Rodney Hood. He’s being asked to do basic ****.

To someone really concerned with the box score, it may look like he’s having a decent series. But take game 3 out of the sample (a game where Denver just laid down), and adjust for Bubble Inflation, and then watch his lack of impact on the defensive side, then get back to me.

I’ll bitch about Ingles, too, in the appropriate place. He’s been Captain Wallflower.

Ingles and Conley need to be much better in game 7. And Quin needs to try some trapping on Murray for chrisssakes
 
rjfan said:
I'm not saying that Conley contract isn't an overpaid, nor that DL should run the roster back, or that knowing how the Conley trade would go, i'd do It again, i'd say no to all three of these (only thing that could would be if a believed that Conley trade were decisive on Bogey coming, but i see his a bit overpaid salary as the real reason he came to the Jazz)

I'm simply saying that Conley were the guy giving Mitchell the bigger offensive help both as shot creator and playmaker and being less affected by the Nuggets adjustments, in a situation that we're without Bogey shooting, scoring and consistency, (so that he'd be more redundant to some of Conley's qualities and defense limits
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The thing is if Denver doubles DM , we are done. It's much easier for them to stop Mitchell than we are to stop Murray. When Murray doesn't score, he can simply pass the ball to Jokic and he can drop 30 or even 40 points easily to put us out of misery, while Conley is gonna have another 15 or 20pt game on 7 out of 15 shooting.
 
Conley would be fine with 15 points if he was also getting 7-10 assists and 2 steals. But him putting up 21 without having much impact on playmaking and defense doesn't help, not in that role.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Conley would be fine with 15 points if he was also getting 7-10 assists and 2 steals. But him putting up 21 without having much impact on playmaking and defense doesn't help, not in that role.
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that's the same argument as justifying Niang to be even on the court. how many points does he need to score to make up for the damage he's done to us in other areas of the game? i'd say Duncan Robinson/Davis Bertans sorta numbers at least.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Conley would be fine with 15 points if he was also getting 7-10 assists and 2 steals. But him putting up 21 without having much impact on playmaking and defense doesn't help, not in that role.
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I'm curious: has anyone averaged more than 7 assists per game under Quin egalitarian system?. It's seems impossible so maybe that's not fair to ask. Even Ricky only averaged 6.1 in his second season. For steals, it's the same. We don't gamble on defense and Quin preaches staying in front of his man or directing him towards help (Rudy). Again, has any player averaged more than 2 steals under Q?

Having said that, Conley has not contributed on defense but we kind of expected that due to his size and age (he hasn't been terrible either this season). At least he is contributing on offense: he is shooting the ball well and making good decisions. Before the last game, when he had two terrible TOs, he only had 2 TOs in the first 3 games of the series, and he was instrumental in games 3 and 4, hitting big shoots or making the right plays when needed. The last two games Denver has trapped him and defended him better, collapsing the paint and closing passing lanes when he is able to penetrate (they have done the same to Don and JC).

I'm more concerned about Royce and Ingles.
 
Agent#00 said:
Rudy need to demand the ball more tell dm and Conley to "pass me the ball I'm a mothafaka too!"
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To be fair, Rudy has been bad at catching and finishing the last couple of games. The lob haven't been there either as Denver is quickly collapsing the paint after penetration. Perhaps we need to run more pick n roll again to involve him more.
 
latin jazz said:
To be fair, Rudy has been bad at catching and finishing the last couple of games. The lob haven't been there either as Denver is quickly collapsing the paint after penetration. Perhaps we need to run more pick n roll again to involve him more.
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The cure to them clogging the paint is for Royce and Ingles to stop passing up open 3's for whatever ****ing reason. That play last game when Mitchell broke down the D and passed it back out to Royce and he almost shot then just looked around like he didn't know what he was doing. That is why we lost. Not that single play obviously, but the fact that there is that low level of confidence going on. He should have taken the open 3, and so should any number of other people any number of other times.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The cure to them clogging the paint is for Royce and Ingles to stop passing up open 3's for whatever ****ing reason. That play last game when Mitchell broke down the D and passed it back out to Royce and he almost shot then just looked around like he didn't know what he was doing. That is why we lost. Not that single play obviously, but the fact that there is that low level of confidence going on. He should have taken the open 3, and so should any number of other people any number of other times.
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I saw Ingles pass up a couple of open 3s as well. If we have two people passing up open 3s, the offense is easy to slow down.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The cure to them clogging the paint is for Royce and Ingles to stop passing up open 3's for whatever ****ing reason. That play last game when Mitchell broke down the D and passed it back out to Royce and he almost shot then just looked around like he didn't know what he was doing. That is why we lost. Not that single play obviously, but the fact that there is that low level of confidence going on. He should have taken the open 3, and so should any number of other people any number of other times.
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No disagreement there, that's why I said I'm more concerned about Royce and Joe. The last few games they haven't contributed on either end of the floor.

JC on the other hand, I'm never concerned about him not shooting the ball :D

Also, give Denver some credit. Despite not being able to stop dribble penetration, they are more active (Craig and Grant especially) in disrupting the pass to the corner. I'm wondering what Q has under his sleeve to get the offense going. It would help if Royce or Ingles hit their (or attempt) their shots.
 
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